

Great news. Fascists shouldnt get visas to travel anywhere.
Great news. Fascists shouldnt get visas to travel anywhere.
This will blow back way harder on Israel than America.
I dont think the US will walk away from this free of any consequences at all. The chickens will come home to roost. You dont kill that many people and leave that many affected victims and just saunter off into the sunset with no consequences whatsoever.
You have a very interestingly nuanced position in all this.
I’d be happy if some sort of god entity announced its existence and was interested in us and not malevolent. Why not. I’ve been wrong enough times in life that I wouldnt be surprised to be wrong again. Like you, I think its extraorinarily unlikely, especially with the reinforcement of the arc of history. In life you have to act according to the odds. If theres a .0001 chance of fish being in a pond, its not worth spending the time to fish there. I consider religion in a similar light. The odds of a god being there seem miniscule to me, and yet their followers are here all the time, and take an oversized stage for having such a miniscule chance of being correct, and they push their ideas on the rest of us, but seldom will entertain challenges to why they do these things. Like championing more reproduction but being against feeding the poor from their church kitchens (for some, not all of them).
My experiences in this regard are not average, I hope, so feel free to take what I say with whatever amojnt of salt you judge appropriate. I come from an intensely catholic upbringing. Even after my aunt was raped by a monk, who went unpunished. My parents’ generation of two large families stayed catholic even in light of that. The kids, universally, could not stay with the church upon hearing this. I think the perception of religion has gone through a generational change starting at genX, and churches broadly have not kept pace, as you alluded to. I am convinced, like you, that this is progress for humanity. I am willing to give religious people the respect for their ideas they hold dear commensurate with the liklihood of them being correct or even useful, although I deem them to be .00000000000000000001% useless compared to the chance of there being no deities involved with our affairs, and that we should own our world ourselves.
cheers, good chat.
OK fair enough on the ad homs, you are right on that and I apologize. I would challenge you on the idea that religion been examined as rigorously and freely as every other philosphical ideas. Faith is belief without question, is it not? And the christian bible is a bit of a joke-- most if not all “holy” books are. But they are held up as a standin for morality and we are demanded to respect them, and not ask too many questions about them, usualyl at threat of violence or other coercions. Isnt history littered with the bodies of scientists and philosophers who werent allowed to inconvenience the church?
It amazed me that when you find religious strife, atheists are often singled out for the worst punishments.
I think its summarized pretty well with this quote of Bakker’s:
“Theres nothing the ignorant prize more than the ignorance of others.”
I think if people should generally mind their own business unless something directly impinges on their individual freedom to live. That includes not making rules about how women should use their bodies. Let women decide that themselevs, or you’re being a tyrant. (I am an old white guy). Christianity doesnt beleive in that, and refuses to honestly examine it. Dogma and whatever the oldest white guy in a funny hat says trumps rational discourse every time.
the only “god” we should be worshipping is ourselves as entities that are constituent of a human society that differentiates us from the other animals. In my opinion, everything else is someone trying to use you or get you to adopt their worldview. This forces us to be our own masters and own the outcomes we create in the world. And to treat each other better.
What do you think?
a disproof of religion
You’ve got the burden of proof turned around. Its not on us to diprove the existence of your mythical skyfairy. Its not our job to respect it in any way either. Feel free to start a religion that worships toe-jam if you want to. No one cares. What if I told you that lower intelligence correlates to higher religious fervor?
is rather disrespectful of the Christian position.
Why is the christian position worthy of any respect al all? Labeling any idea thats “religion” as automatically worthy of reverence is simply privelage speaking, at best. At worst its deep stupidity protecting itself from analysis. You’re in a cult buddy. One that has inconsistent medieval ideas and a pedophilia problem. The fact that we even need to remind you of those absolute facts doesnt speak well of you.
Smarter than you? yes. Absolutely. You like to hunker down and talk to yourself with a very stern look on your face. You call it praying. You also like to let some old pedo effers dressed up in costumes waving a barely relevant internally inconsistent book of outdated medeival tribal ideas tell you what to do. You think accepting it without question at all, no matter how crazy it is-- faith-- is somehow a virtue. You’re a slave in a cult.
May your all powerful sky fairy strike me down if I’m telling any untruths here.
this is the opinion of the overhwelming majority of Israelis. “90% of Jewish Israelis supported the decision to start the offensive against Hezbollah even while the war was continuing in Gaza.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-is-riding-success-vs-hezbollah-but-will-oct-7-anniversary-change-that/
Only 19% of Israelis think the IDF has gone too far in Gaza https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/
its astrofishsticks, not astrophistics. You idiot.
/s
the guy who famously never pays his vendors or his rent until he gets evicted is promising to send money?
wow sign me up…
Justice isnt served until Netenyahu and biden are being frog marched in chains and striped pajamas at the hague.
take heart, Biden says he is very concerned. Harris too. Any day now he’s going to stop the shipments and start poking netenyahu forcefully in the chest, screaming in his face, making threats.
/s. I’m just messing with you.
Israeli murder of civlians is so normalized that its hardly even making the news anymore.
We get the sweat off of netenyahus balls, and Biden/Harris/Trump gets paid for it, and we get… nothing? I dont like this arrangement, but I guess we have to vote for Harris or Trump and have no choices?
What they do or dont do doesnt really influence my choice on this one.
Nobody cares what US diplomats say anymore. That filthy war criminal was lucky to be allowed into the room at all.
Its well past time the US started treating India as bad actor it is instead of turning a blind eye to it like we always do. They are not a friend or ally.
Countries which have had their soldiers attacked or killed should be siezing all Israeli business assets within their borders and giving them to the victims and their familes. No matter how much it is. Seize it once and the killings stop overnight. Israel has been murdering UN peacekeepers since 1964 and no amount of chatting about it will change their behavior.
US should expel indian diplomats too, since they seem to think murder on foriegn soil is OK.
I used to think it’d be our kids or grandkids who would find out, but its looking like it might actually be us. What a time to be alive.