The letter, which was spammed on Lemmy and deleted multiple times, just linked to other SubStack blogs as “evidence”. Come on, people
I was disappointed in the lack of critical thinking skills in those threads. I thought Lemmy users were smarter than that. Hopefully we can put all these conspiracies to bed.
There’s a sizable number of people intentionally looking the other way because they think they can fight fire with fire, utilizing the same conspiracy theory thinking that the Right routinely gets away to shape public discourse.
I have to say, the thought crossed my mind. But Dems could never pull it off.
I have to say, the thought crossed my mind. But Dems could never pull it off.
I would hope that’s because we won’t stand for it. All I could think reading one of the previous threads on this letter was “these people are just as dumb as MAGAs but in the other direction”.
It’s no different than playing by the rules (or lack thereof) of the game like Bannon or Stone play in their strategizing with Trump: Perception is Reality. Ends Justify Means.
Maybe not along this issue, but yes Democrats must realize just how poorly educated and gullible the electorate is and start catering their message accordingly. In spite of moral reservations, fear & anger are powerful motivators.
Yes, Dems couldn’t pull it off because the coalition consists of a large number of ethically-bound and higher educated individuals who aren’t willing to play dirty as a means to an end… Even when that end is far superior than what the opposition seeks.
People are idiots everywhere.
Everybody is an idiot sometimes.
Even you.
Not me tho. Thankfully I’m flawless and don’t have to deal with the same nonsense of ever being wrong.
I don’t think the conspiracies are going to go away. I remember when Trump got shot that there were threads with quite a few people convinced it was all staged to get him sympathy votes. I still occasionally see it brought up all this time later.
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I wanted it to be true so bad, and sure there were some illegal actions taken (Elmo), it’s not enough to overturn anything. It’s okay to feel defeated, but not to ignore facts. We lost.
Side note, watch Veritasium’s video on “smarter people get this question wrong”, it talks about how your political position can blind your critical thinking skills and is important to remember. You can take nothing at face value, even your own thoughts.
That was a really interesting video!
I just watched the first question in that video and the actual correct answer was incredibly obvious within about 2 seconds of seeing the chart, does that mean I’m an idiot?
What the fuck is this stroke of a title?
The claims made in a ‘duty to warn’ letter addressed to presidential nominee Kamala Harris are - according to our research - misleading.
Sorry, but this is standard journalistic practice. The sentence is correct english, even in its unedited form, albeit in the same way that buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo is correct english.
I do think it’s a practice that needs to be reconsidered in the interest of making journalism more accessible to everyone, but for now you just gotta learn how to read it.
Nope sorry. The style, in the case of this sentence & that famous Buffalo cow-pie, has pushed both sentences beyond people’s ability to understand it without additional processing time. Therefore the style is bad, and should feel bad.
That journalistic style is really only to lower word count anyway, so that headlines could fit onto printed newspaper pages, & maybe to save on ink. I don’t fuckin’ care about a 100 year old practice, nor the editors who sacrificed my understanding so that they could save a buck or 5 seconds. I care about understanding a goddamn sentence.
Yes, it’s almost like I said exactly the same thing in my second paragraph.
But the reality is that it is the standard practice right now, and no matter how much you and I may agree that it needs to be reconsidered, your current options are a) Learn how to read it, or b) Throw a tantrum like a big baby and refuse to ever engage with any mainstream journalism until industry practices change.
Your call, doesn’t affect me either way.
There’s nothing confusing about it IMO.
This is the difference. Both the right and the left have their cranks, but the ones on the left never get mainstream acceptance. While on the right, they make the crank president.
People need to accept who we are, collectively, as a country. We chose this shit. It’ll be a wild ride.
People need to accept who we are, collectively,
To do what?
To avoid immediately resorting to denial and conspiracy theories like some kind of smooth brained conservative, I reckon.
Um… I guess.
I was thinking of this phrase as being a little thought terminating. Like, instead of addressing the problems democrats have with outreach and mass appeal, etc., we just kind of sulk in the bed we’ve supposedly made ourselves.
I hadn’t thought of the quelling conspiracies angle, though.
Yeah, it’s definitely a “¿Por Qué No Los Dos?” situation. The Democrats need to figure out how to not come across as Republican Lite, and avoid that thought terminating stuff like you said, but damn is our culture also deeply flawed.
Thank you! I just needed someone to check that dudes math, very happy they did.
North Carolina
Spoonamore alleged that the purported hacking and fraud in North Carolina proved to be “the most extreme” and that “the public results indicate over 350,000 voters cast a ballot for Trump and no other race.” However, this is false.
According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections’ website, as of Nov. 21, 5,722,556 voters cast ballots. Of those, 5,699,152 ballots displayed votes in the race for president. The website also reported that 5,592,243 ballots bore votes for the state’s governor’s race. A comparison of the numbers for total votes and the gubernatorial race would reveal the maximum number of possible “bullet vote” ballots for all presidential candidates. The difference between the two numbers is 130,313 votes — a count nowhere near the 350,000 votes stated by Spoonamore. Trump received 183,048 more of North Carolinian’s votes than Harris.
Welp.
That’s not how this works folks. You are supposed to ignore all evidence to the contrary, then spend the next 4 years claiming the election was stolen and whining like a spoiled toddler
He told a good, plausible story. The count claims were the first thing I was going to verify, and Snopes pointed right to the actual source.
I’ve been peaking back on Reddit to a few sub reddits, r/somethingiswrong2024 is the main one. There’s r/verify2024 and r/houstonwade as well that have some interesting ideas and points brought up about all this. They simply dismissed this snopes report, stating snopes had lost credibility over the past years but not sure how true that is. I don’t know if I was just getting a contact high from the copium over there, I have hope still, I want to believe there is something in the works but ultimately without concrete, indisputable, outright blatant cheating thoroughly documented, there’s not chance of overturning the election. Especially without stirring up the magats nest and causing civil unrest. So do we just stick it out for the next two years and hope we can freely vote and try to gain some sanity back into this country?
There isn’t. The numbers don’t add up correctly anymore. You can look yourself by checking any other race in a state with the highest number of votes and then the presidential race in that state. If the difference is less than Trump’s margin of victory then there cannot be enough bullet ballots to have made a difference.
This is the case in the crucial state of Pennsylvania. There are about 70,000 less votes in the Senate race than the Presidential race. Trump’s margin over Harris is about 100,000 votes. That means there’s at least 30,000 votes in the margin of victory that voted for Senator and thus are not Bullet Ballots.
The math doesn’t math. And the cyber security stuff was always highly suspect. They basically asserted the machines were online with no evidence that was the case and no credible theory for how they would be reprogrammed to be online.
Yeah, we’re the people that always love to talk about evidence. So, let’s make sure we’re applying that principle evenly and demanding and looking at evidence for claims we like the sound and feeling of.
Well there are irregularitiea and a manual recount would either provide evidence or it would prove that no such thing happened.
You need evidence to justify a recount when they’re normally only expected to shift the results by less than a percentage point. They’re not cheap, you don’t just do them whenever people feel like it.
I think that’s enough evidence to warrant such recount.
There’s a irregularity that, did not happen in prior elections and only in swing states, not even neighboring ones. It could be nothing or could be valid.
You are saying that there’s no evidence, but with electronic voting machines the only time you get evidence is if you verify it.
The most mind-blowing thing to me is that the less people are familiar with software engineering the more trusting they are of electronic voting machines and when there are irregularities just dismissing it.
Tell me, what evidence you would need to say “ok, I think we should recount these machine counted votes”.
What specific irregularities? I haven’t heard anything credible yet. This article is about how some of the irregularities being claimed are actually falsehoods people made up, the numbers they use are incorrect.
Evidence could really be anything, a witness, a whistleblower, a report of some sort. A shift in voting patterns doesn’t really qualify is all, since that happens all the time, and is very normal.
Well it says in the article. Large number of bullet votes that didn’t happen in the past and only happened in the swing states.
With electronic voting machines how there could be witness if fraud happens inside, you need to recount to verify this. That’s the only way.
The article specifies that the bullet votes claim used incorrect numbers. The man lied, or was misinformed or something.
Witness was just one example of one type of evidence I would accept. Many forms of fraud can happen that can be witnessed. I also listed others.
“Bullet votes” completely jibe with the narrative that a small but significant percentage of Trump voters are willfully low-information, so un-invested in the democratic process that they can’t be bothered to take the time even to vote a straight party ticket, and think that voting for a single strong-man will fix all their problems. The non-electoral factors behind all this are deeply troubling, and many of them are criminal, but for the actual voting there’s no need to invent a conspiracy when simple shittiness will do.
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The bullet ballot nonsense was started by a Republican kook that’s made fake election claims about every election going all the way back to 2008.
Definitely something to ignore.
So we upgraded from blaming minority voters to literally Trump’s own 2020 election mouthpiece lmao.
Just saying, with that orange turd, every accusation is a confession
