To me everyone should be. Think it’s kind of selfish to let viable organs go to waste when people are in need for them.
In my experience, some of the people that I have met that aren’t organ donors are afraid that the hospitals and doctors will do less to save you if you’re in an accident so that they can use all of your organs to “save” many more people. It’s dumb, but I’ve met a scary amount of folks who believe that.
It’s not entirely unjustified.
A Push for More Organ Transplants Is Putting Donors at Risk
People across the United States have endured rushed or premature attempts to remove their organs. Some were gasping, crying or showing other signs of life …
A surgeon made an incision in her chest and sawed through her breastbone.
That’s when the doctors discovered her heart was beating. She appeared to be breathing. They were slicing into Ms. Hawkins while she was alive.
On the other hand, they would have let her die if she was not a donor.
It’s crazy to see validated conspiracy right there out the NYT. As it reads, seems these procurement companies need to stop influencing doctors.
I think few people would object to it if they were told it was an option, but the default is “no” in most countries and many people just don’t think to opt in.
My only problem with organ donation in the US is the recipient gets a huge bill, including $86,000 for the actual liver. The donors family gets nothing.
So if someone gets into an accident and eventually dies, and is a donor, the family gets a massive bill, and the hospital makes $1M from the recipient.
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Some people such as myself can neither be blood nor organ donors because their bodies are undesirable.
Examples: Cancer, Leukemia, HIV, TB, Leiden V Factor, etc.
People with such issues are often incompatible donors.
That’s definitely not true. When I was waiting for lungs I originally said I only wanted a high quality organ but I got so sick I signed a waiver saying I would take whatever, some things will disqualify you sure but even things like HIV are fine because it’s considered something that can be managed with meds.
That’s definitely not true. some things will disqualify you sure but even things like HIV are fine because it’s considered something that can be managed with meds.
Then you must not live in the USA and have country requirements that are different than the USA:
quote: ‘Very few medical conditions permanently disqualify someone from donating. The short list includes active, spreading cancer and certain infectious diseases: HIV/AIDS (with an important exception discussed below), active hepatitis B or C, active tuberculosis, MRSA infections, and prion diseases like Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. These conditions pose a direct transmission risk to the recipient that can’t be managed.’
The exception:
‘Since 1988, donating organs while HIV-positive was banned in the United States. That changed with the HIV Organ Policy Equity (HOPE) Act, which lifted the federal ban in 2015. HIV-positive individuals can now donate organs to HIV-positive recipients. These transplants currently take place under research protocols with oversight from the National Institutes of Health, and transplant centers must receive specific approval to participate. This shift has opened a new source of organs for HIV-positive patients who previously faced longer waits.’
So generally not acceptable, but sometimes acceptable depending on the organ and the NIH oversight committee.
source:
https://scienceinsights.org/who-can-be-an-organ-donor-eligibility-explained/
No I do, I had to agree to it. Granted that was in 2014, absolutely possible they’re trying to ratchet down on it though since keeping organ recipients alive is expensive and often falls on the government I’m sure legislation to make it harder for us to get organs would be cost effective, especially if they weren’t top notch.
My dad was an organ donor when his brain died. The next day after the 24 hour period to confirm brain death, I was sitting with my brother and stepmother waiting to have the plug pulled when a lady walked into the room and introduced herself “as part of my father’s care team.” I don’t remember much of what she said because I was focused on waiting for the end and she wasn’t wearing scrubs so I didn’t really care what she had to say, but she left and after another couple hours I learned that she was from the Organ Procurement Organization (OPO) for our State, my dad was a donor, and they weren’t pulling the plug until they took him to a different hospital for organ harvesting.
The rest of that day was a blur but my stepmom was pissed, the next morning my dad’s body was in the same room, that lady was apparently fired, there was a new guy and gal as well as their boss to talk with us, they told us they weren’t going away. Eventually they agreed to perform the harvesting surgery there so we could walk to the OR with him. We were asked if we wanted a “hero walk” where the nurses and doctors take time away from actually helping people to clap for a corpse being walked down the hall, which was the dumbest fucking thing I’d ever heard of.
I wasn’t there when my dad’s brain died in the middle of the night. I thought I’d be there as his body functions shut down over the course of a half hour, but instead the last I saw of him before he was cremated was his still breathing corpse being pushed down a hallway. I got a text that his heart had stopped a couple hours later.
Across North Dakota, Minnesota, and Wisconsin there are only something like 350 organ donations a year because the body needs to be either very fresh and preserved or brain dead to keep the organs intact for harvesting. If you are a donor, it is very unlikely that your organs will actually be donated, but if they are, it can add a whole extra layer of shitty to an already awful situation for the family. Obviously this is just my experience and it’s probably unusual for people to be fired so it was probably an especially bad one, but you asked and this is my answer to your question. I’m still not sure if I’m going to be a donor next time I renew my license. I don’t think I will until I add a stipulation to my will to allow my family to override it if they feel a need to.
I am an organ donor myself but there are a few different reasons people are not
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superstition and religious beliefs. Some religions are against it.
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a belief that doctors won’t try as hard to save them if they can use their organs to save more people
- Opposite of 2, you’ll be in pain longer because they want to keep your organs alive.
My worry that I’m probably going to write into my AD next time I revise it is that they won’t anesthetize me enough to soothe whatever dregs are left of my brain into it’s good night.
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If you sit down and give the topic all due fair consideration, yes, there’s only one rational conclusion. However a lot of people just don’t want to think about dying, period, and will switch off on anything that makes them do so. I’m sure there are also misinformed people who think their organs can be freely stolen even if they’re not dead yet if they check that box.
I’m not justifying these people, mind you. I’m just describing how it happens. There is no good reason, but there are reasons.
I mean…some organs you do not want. Like my colon. You do NOT want my colon.
Logic says my liver SHOULD be dead by now, but somehow I’ve had no issues. Sooooooo, maybe give it to an alcoholic? Apperently booze has no impact on my liver. How it survived my 20s, I’ll never know.
And my brain??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh, sorry. I was just imagining what it would be like if a silverback gorilla decided it wanted to tickle you. Because what are you gonna do? Get tickled by a gorilla, that’s what! Oh, also, my brain is weird. Probably don’t want anyone being given that.
It wasn’t that long ago that doctors had to go grave robbing at night, risking their careers and freedom, just to be able to get access to the human cadavers needed to advance medical science. Christianity has always had a real problem with people adding or removing things from the human body, even dead bodies, and the effects of that are still echoing all around the western world in many many ways.
Does anyone remember the time the US military blew up a Grandma?
Chronical illnesses. For different reasons, both my wife and I are “unfit” both for organ and blood donations.
I’m a donor (woe betide whoever gets anything from me) but I totally understand not being OK with it. This guy says we won’t need them, but that’s unknowable. Maybe there’s a bunch of donors at the gate not being let in until the rest of them gets there. But if ever you have a right to claim ownership over anything, it’s your body. Your organs aren’t collective property others have a right to. You fuck off, these are my organs is a totally reasonable position.
because the hospital makes a profit off of donated organs.
You think it’s kind of selfish because you’re a rational person. The reasons people aren’t organ donors are because the thought of surgery makes them squeamish ignoring the fact that you’ll be dead and won’t feel it, and the other reason is because they think they need to take the organs with them to heaven. It’s mostly religious nuts.
