The price on the menu isn’t anywhere near the bill the expect you to pay at the end.
Bill = menu-price + taxes + 20% tip
(where 20% is just a rough average)
These days I’ve seen people trying to push 30% to 40% as the minimum tip. Either that or they sneak it in with service charges or gratuity fees with a suggestion of a 25% tip on top.
Yeah the combo of tips + taxes is enough to throw any european off. 13% where I am, so mentally disregarding the final price presented and then adding 33% on top of that is a huge difference than paying the number the items added up to on the receipt, and then tipping if the service was excellent.
I think State taxes are lower than my provincial tax generally, but its a big shoft mentally. You have to fundamentally accept and financially reward a system that considers underpaying its employees completely normal and actively resists improvements for those employees.
North americans are so stupid that some restautants tried in canada and the US to simplify things
menu-price = food + taxes + 20% tip
Final bill ends up being the same price as before but people saw bigger number and freaked out…
They’d rather be lied to by the menu price and then scammed for tips at the very end rather than have clear and transparent pricing…
I dont want to live on this planet anymore
Not sure why media is trying to make this a thing, it isn’t. There’s thousands and thousands of posts/videos by visiting Europeans saying they’re pissed because they were lied to about America being a shit hole and everyone there is selfish and rude.
Sow division and create engagement. It is working extremely well. I am so fucking tired of seeing this article reposted over and over.
Don’t worry American citizens are also confused by the expensive tipping culture in the US. I still maintain 15% for a good job, 10% for a mediocre job, 5% for anything below. Giving above 15% is just subsidizing the pay the employer should be giving. It’s a symptom of the fact that wages have stagnated for over 50 years. The pay that once supported someone and even a child is now far below the poverty line for even an individual. So instead of increasing pay to match what it once was many businesses have turned to aggressive tipping over just increasing the prices of their service / products.
15% for a good job, 10% for a mediocre job, 5% for anything below
I maybe make a 10% bonus if my department absolutely smashes sales numbers… i cant imagine getting 15% for doing my job normally (i consider doing a “good job” to be my normal output) or even getting 5% for doing “below” mediocre…
In fact, in most jobs, doing below mediocre work usually gets you fired, not bonuses
Yes, I’m aware. Workers in certain restaurants make quite a lot, even more than some engineers with degrees I know.
But also, i dont want to make this about “X type worker shouldnt make more than Y type worker”… servers should be paid whatever they get paid. Just dont put the burden on the customer… i dont care if they make more than me, or my CEO or whatever… just dont hassle me with the tipping decision.
a lot of that kind of “servers make more than X” discourse ends up belittling one worker with “unskilled labour” terminology. I dont believe in anything called unskilled labour.
Employers are giving you the option of cheating the employee and you are taking them up on it, claiming to be fighting the system, by cheating the employee.
Think about that, just because millions of cheating self interested half wits and tools and jerks agree with you, doesn’t mean you are right. You are cheating working people under a false pretense. If you don’t like tipping that much, don’t patronize establishments that use it.
It’s legal ransom, you’re mad at the wrong person
Pot calling kettle black.
The federal and state governments are cheating staff by allowing employers to pay slave-level wages of $2.xx/hr, if staff are paid ~$5/hr or more through tips.
This has gone on for a while so you’re right, maybe I shouldn’t visit some states in the USA anymore even after Don the Con is gone.
I mostly decrease eating out which is arguably worse because now they get a 0% tip. If enough people avoid establishments that abuse tipping then the problem will solve itself.
Much better for them to work for free to serve you without pay? GTFO.
I tip what was once normal or even generous a few years ago and generally avoid places that push this behavior so the business owner and the employees get nothing from me. Mostly though if I eat out it’s at places where tipping isn’t customary.
Keller said he’s changed the system so customers with reservations have to pre-pay for drinks, including a service charge. “It’s just to protect our staff,” he said.
Protect your staff by paying them ffs.
If tips combined with wages do not reach the state minimum of $7.25, the employer must make up the difference. “If they don’t receive any tips, it’s impossible to survive in the service industry,” Thurnher said.
If your minimum wage is lower than a living wage, your system sucks.
Its not hard. You tip 20% when you dine in. You can tip over that if you feel like it. You tip 10% to go/pickup. If you cant figure 10% of a number, you shouldn’t be in charge of financial decisions, including but not limited to tipping.
I would strongly recommend to travel a bit outside of the USA.
Fuck that. I never tip for pick up. I came to you. There was no service to tip for. Just do your job. I’ll tip for delivery when I do rarely get that. I also don’t tip when I’m standing up to order.
It’s pretty simple, the tip is for the service, not just an automatic add on for anybody doing their job.
Do you tip the cashier at the grocery store? And the bagger that bagged your food? What about the cart return guy that has to fetch your cart from the 2 parking spaces you left it taking up?
Isn’t it 25% these days? Frequently I see the lowest option on the terminal as 25% and need to enter a custom amount to make it any less.
Fuck no please don’t start these rumours. I know of no one who tips 25% unless the service was exquisite.
Not unless youre tipping a stripper at a coffee shack.
10% to go. 20% dine in. Always has been. People bickering about 15% or 18% are penny pinchers and should be shamed as such.
When I grew up in the 90s it was 15% to dine in.
You tip 20% of the bill, or less if you are an asshole. What’s so hard to understand?
Don’t get pissed off at me, get pissed off at the asshole who won’t pay you and expects ME to.
They’re all from places where the price on the menu is the final price.
But in case you’re thinking “you have to adapt to the culture,” Americans are still notorious for standing out as tourists and not adapting.
