I wouldn’t be surprised if Alphabet has used data from all these sources all the time.
That’s actually the reason I don’t use gmail except for registering Android, or use google calender, or google search except occasionally. I have my youtube account separate from my Android, and I don’t allow any cloud services, like photo or any other storage or sync services.
The power Google can gain from using these things in combination is huge, just like Facebook influenced the 2016 US presidential election, Google/Alphabet could use this for both political and financial gains to an enormous degree, that would have been completely unheard of prior to Internet becoming widely used.
Man I can’t wait to get 100% out of gmail.
If you choose to use the Workspace extensions, your content from Gmail, Docs, and Drive is not seen by human reviewers, used by Bard to show you ads, or used to train the Bard model.
Yeah… really comforting, Google. Really comforting.
🤷♂️ you weren’t going to pay for it, gotta pay for compute somehow.
Me, who’s had a Gmail account as my main email for twenty plus years. 😞
I’ve been meaning to switch off of Google for months now, but never had the time to properly research what exactly that entails
I was primarily using Gmail and Youtube Music and the switch was fairly easy. Apple Music was a better replacement than the other competitors, and Proton Mail was super easy. Paying for both makes me “not the product, but an actual customer”. Forwarded Gmail to Proton in about 30 seconds, and replaced Chrome with Firefox. Duck Duck Go isn’t a “perfect” replacement for Google Search, but it’s good enough.
Proton looks pretty good, but all the paid Google services show that paying is not enough to be seen as “not the product, but an actual customer” these days.
Proton itself has no access to the encrypted content of your email. Also, they are not an ad company, so their product isn’t you.
Curious what you decide. I feel trapped. My Gmail has been my primary account for almost 20 years. With that kind of longevity, switching would be extremely disruptive.
What makes anyone think google didn’t have the access before anyway?
I know people who have their passwords on a google doc or email passwords. I foresee a lot of accounts getting hacked once people can crack the right prompts for the LLM.
Geez! Who does that?
Old people
That won’t work because they’re not going to train Bard on your email contents or documents.
So what does bard do with the access then? Is it like bing chat that can choose to search things?
Probably something similar to what they were doing back in 2010 with Google Now. Skimming data from emails and texts etc in order to give you more pertinent information with Google Assistant’s predecessor. The google now page of that time could tell me when my flight left, what gate it boarded at, if it was delayed, what airport entrance to use. It told me when my bills were due and how much. It tracked orders for me and told me when they were out for delivery or delivered. It would help me to pick a restaurant for a special occasion, direct me where to call or book for a reservation. I found it very useful and then privacy concerns basically tanked it.
We got a rebrand that did some of the same things with Google Assistant. And for a while that was really useful for a lot of the same things. But now that they’ve realised that data collection for this doesn’t net them ever increasing profits there’s a push for new better things. The new better apps and services don’t really do what people want or need. They are specifically and ever increasingly meant to funnel more data to Google and more ads to consumers. There were a lot of potentially really good useful services that this style of scraping provided. But on the other hand, they didn’t ask. They just took that info. And then saved face by sunsetting the product that people were gripping about.
If you use google services at all, google has a profile on you. Even limiting the spec of that profile by opting out of assistant and turning off a lot of their tracking doesn’t necessarily help you maintain privacy. And google services includes their app store and phones.
Most probably yes, it will add those information to the context. Once you delete the chat, those data are gone.
That’s much better than using it for general training. Does anything keep Google from using it for training in the future though?
Their terms and privacy policy I guess. Also the possibility of data leak. I don’t think even Google would train their LLM on knowingly private data, that would be utter insanity.
These companies just push hard for people to leave them.
Queue the I’m in danger meme
Having generative AI hooked up to workspaces is a clear next step that’s going to be very very popular. I’m not sure why this thread is shocked.
I wonder what will happen when proprietary Open AI LLM’s start scraping data that the companies use them don’t want scraped because it’s proprietary. IT department using LLM for code for the company wide web portal. And now schematics for a new device are scraped etc.
This is super cool. No longer need to fiddle with third-party LLM APIs.
For those worried that your emails contents might get leaked, I’m pretty sure they’re not using your email content to train, but only use it as context. LLMs are stateless, as soon you you start a new chat, it forgets everything from before.
