• JustTheWind@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    Viktor fucking POS Orban steps down with more dignity after 16 years than our own home grown dictator wannabe did after 4. What a timeline to be alive in.

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    19 days ago

    On the one hand, his ideology is more or less identical to Orban’s (he used to be a Fidesz party member until two tears ago).

    On the other hand, he is somewhat EU friendly, supports Ukraine and, most importantly, is the head of a different party. 16 years of Fidesz rule is over. That’s not nothing.

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      16 days ago

      He was known in the party as someone who disagreed on many decisions made by Orbán. He also stated it was not easy to leave and/or cut ties due to mafia-like behavior, fear of his or his family’s life. His wife was head of Ministry of Justice, which she was kicked out due to also going against Orbán’s wishes. pardoning a pedophile, and they divorced soon after.

      You have to understand that Orbán is literally an oligarch with tons of money, ties to Russia and the underworld. Magyar only quite recently collected enough support (about 2 years ago I think) to start his own political movement.

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        He was known in the party as someone who disagreed on many decisions made by Orbán.

        Can you provide a source for this please? I am a Hungarian and never heard of this.

        His wife was head of Ministry of Justice, which she was kicked out due to also going against Orbán’s wishes.

        She was kicked out because she gave an official pardon to a well known pedophile. They divorced after that.

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          Can you provide a source for this please? I am a Hungarian and never heard of this.

          They mentioned it in a Czech news podcast, so I’d link it to you, although I am not sure how useful that would be.

          She was kicked out because she gave an official pardon to a well known pedophile. They divorced after that.

          I’ve heard about the pardon, but not in direct relation to being kicked out because of that. Also sorry for my misinterpretation.

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            Oh okay. I am not arguing with you, just wanted some insight about how other countries cover the Orbán disaster. The pardon thing might just be a “find a scapegoat” scenario, in the Fidesz party that was a really popular solution to scandals. We will see how Magyar differs from Orbán, the bar is not high so we have hope things will get better.

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        18 days ago

        I’d say it helps that Hungary being in the EU probably limited Orban going full dictator. The EU had been chastising Hungary. Withholding EU funds hurts Hungary quite a bit. This is a reason why the far right hates the EU and looking to dismantle it, with the help of their American friends.

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      18 days ago

      Who would had thought it wouldn’t help Orbans case to have JD couchfucker Vance and the Hitler gang beside you. Laughing stuck. It’s almost like Orban had proud in making Hungary a puppet state for russia and china. (USA is a puppet of russia that’s why they aren’t mentioned)

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        19 days ago

        Sure seems like a roundabout way of just… being in the EU.

        Are you British, by chance? What’s the mood on Brexit these days?

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          19 days ago

          The Brexit crowd have gone conspicuously silent about it. Their lack of crowing says a lot about it.

          Even before Brexit, the tide had turned, and that’s only gotten stronger. Unfortunately, the government had their vote and hammered it through. (The fact there was an EU rule change, on tax transparency, the next day, and would have embarrassed a lot of rich UK toffs had NOTHING to do with the timing)

          Unfortunately, the reform party is far too strong, and trying to drag us to the extreme right. Our “left wing” primary party (Labour) is now further right than the conservatives (center right party) traditionally sit.

          It’s… frustrating.

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            That sounds… British. Frustrating, in a frustratingly orderly way.

            Outside far-right politics must be making reform look bad in the UK though. Right? Like Hungary, Turkey, whatever’s going in Germany…

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              We are in a media bubble. Basically all our media is owned by a few rich arseholes and they bury a lot of anti right messages.

              The BBC used to be remarkably honest and independent from government. The conservatives getting their claws into it was the beginning of the real problems. Even worse, the BBC’s impartiality has been so sacrosanct that a lot of older people just believe it.

              A mild bit of light. The green party seems to also be making significant advances. Labour have often played the “don’t split the left vote” card on them. Now it looks like green is overtaking them in some areas. It just doesn’t show up well in a FPTP voting system.

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                Ah, moguls + FPTP strike again.

                Yeah, I can see Green gaining traction as climate/environmental problems start to grow. The British Isles are relatively sensitive. Though it seems Green has had its own controversy (kinda like the small parties here in the US have).

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                  19 days ago

                  The UK is still a lot more multi party at the lower levels of government, compared to the US. Unfortunately it’s erring towards the US system, rather than away from it.

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      18 days ago

      Iceland next. Bog britain still a long shot. Ukraine most likely before BB. EU needs Ukraine. They militiary is probably the most capable in the world against the Russian army, and defense in general. This is why there is no way around accepting Ukraine into EU.

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    18 days ago

    What a great day for Democracy, now hopefully he follows through on his promise of constitutional reform and dismantling the Orban mafia so this can’t happen again.

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    18 days ago

    Pro russia israel old orban gone

    Pro israel young orban came