I seriously doubt that, because the bases in e-juice were studied thoroughly in the 50’s with no such evidence.
And nicotine has obviously also been studied thoroughly, and the nicotine is not considered a major carcinogen in cigarettes, it’s mostly compounds created by the burning of the paper and tobacco that cause cancer that is the actual SMOKE in smoking, which vapes do not have, unless the vape is seriously overheated.
I bet that this study is flawed, if it truly shows indication of cancerous effects, I bet it’s because they overheat the e-juice, which has the same effect as burning fat on a frying pan. And with the e-juice taste horribly.
Either that or they’ve used impure products, and not the pharmaceutical quality products that dominate the industry.
If you are a vaper, make sure the nicotine and base juice are both pharmaceutical quality.
However, the review included case reports from dentists who noticed oral cancer in people who had only vaped and who had never smoked.
This is partially based on self reporting, which is the least reliable form of study there is.
Also I’ve never heard such warnings from dentists?
Unfortunately with these kinds of studies, we have to consider they can either be honestly flawed, but worse than that the studies can be dishonest to attract funding.
The dentist part makes zero sense…PG is antibacterial and antimicrobial, which we have known for decades now. This study like you said is %100 bullshit, and just like the “popcorn” lung study, probably burned the wicks and metals on the vapes with no solution at all.
I vape and can tell you that degradation of the coil happens even without overheating the element or juice. Which means it’s possible for these particles to go into the body.
I vaped for 10 years, if you don’t change your coil/wig when it degrades enough to taste bad, you are an idiot.
IDK if you use sub ohm coils or other forms of extreme vaping, but coils don’t generally degrade, but they may build up gunk, which can be easily cleaned by burning it off.
But to get the data some studies have shown, you need to REALLY burn the coil, which taste like burned plastic, or like smoking the filter on a cigarette.
It’s absolutely awful.
There are many types of vaping, but none of them should make you use overheated coils, unless you make them yourself, and then you are doing it wrong.
Goddam I kind of miss the hobby side of it now. 🙁
Yes I use sub ohm coils. But I think you are wrong and even degradation without overheating makes these particles come lose. Otherwise it’s like saying that microplastics are no problem for you because you don’t microwave food in plastic containers.
Were those health studies?
You know the lung problem with asbestos is quite unique, and it may have been unknown back then. If buildings weren’t for people, asbestos is very safe regarding fires, and an excellent material in many ways. But it was already in the 60’s that we began to ban and remove that shit, exactly because it is harmful to your lungs.
The bases in vaping have been used for instance for asthma inhalers for many many decades and is STILL used for that, and the pharmaceutical industry is pretty heavily regulated. It is also used as stage fog, in fog machines that spew enormous amounts into rooms full of people, with AFAIK no research showing any health problems, for the operators or the musicians or actors that are exposed to it every day.
But for some reason, when it’s an e-cig some people suddenly have a knee jerk reaction, and think whatever is inhaled in any way is unhealthy.
Your argument is basically whataboutism, and in that line you could ask yourself, what about the smell of making tea, surely that must be harmful too by your logic. All that tea vapor in the air that you inhale in closed rooms.
Actually it has been shown that people that vape to quit smoking, recover lung functionality faster than any other way of quitting smoking.
So anyone that quit smoking could benefit from using vapes even if they are nicotine free, for a few months.
Also when examined by a doctor, if you are vaping it registers as non smoker when measuring lung capacity.
Well they link the study, but i cant get the link to work. If I were able to actually read their protoctol this research might mean something, but since their source is evidently uncited this is fake news.
This comment is full of misinformation. I assume you aren’t intentionally trying to spread misinformation. I encourage you to do some research on this bcz most everything you’ve said is at best misleading, and at worst intentionally wrong.
I started vaping 15 years ago, and I have researched the issue intensively. So no this is not misinformation, you are the one that is uninformed. The number of obviously flawed studies on e-cigs is insane.
It is also funny how you completely fail to show anything wrong with my post, but just make a blanket statement without any real argument.
Have you researched the issue recently. Because some of the stuff you said was stuff I read about when I started vaping like 10 years ago. Like the stuff about it being too hot. Its something I see repeated a lot by people who dont want to see reality.
Yes, a study, many years ago, did that. But did this study do that? You cant keep trotting that line out and expect it to stay relevant.
Ive stopped vaping as of last year, but it was obvious to me the flavour compounds were a complete unknown.
If you think that was the only fake study you are wrong. There was also a study where they measured the formaldehyde using a test person, in a closed room.
Lo and behold they found formaldehyde, and the press spread the news like rabid dogs.
The problem was that we exhale formaldehyde naturally, and the level of formaldehyde measured was consistent with a person NOT vaping.
But did this study do that?
Most probably, because as I state there have been numerous studies that show no formaldehyde. These fake studies are made to push an agenda.
Ive stopped vaping as of last year
Good for you, I also stopped about 5 years ago, something I was unable to without the e-cig.
it was obvious to me the flavour compounds were a complete unknown.
Not complete, they are used in professional kitchens and industries, where people have been exposed for many decades. The chemical nature is also known and is deemed safe.
You can also vape without flavor, which I did for about a year before quitting, the taste is actually quite nice IMO even without flavor.
But I must admit I can still miss the taste of a good RY4 despite I’m 100% off the nicotine.
There is no source to the study, the link doesn’t work.
Also even if I read the study, it is not a sure thing that their mistake is obvious, and I’ve seen dozens of studies that were done correctly that show there are no known carcinogens in the vapor of e-cigs.
Or rather the ones that are detected are way less than 1% of a cigarette, which means vaping similar to smoking 20 cigarettes per day, will expose you to the equivalent of 0.2 cigarette. The biggest number being the formaldehyde we exhale naturally.
So please just piss off with you knee jerk ignorance.
I’ve studied the issue plenty, I don’t need to read yet another flawed study, I’ve seen plenty of those already.
Here’s the link in the article, that you said you couldn’t find.
Look i see what you are doing. You half read a few studies 10 years ago now recent science is beneath you. Its obvious, and I want you to know its obvious.
Weird since no major carcinogens are present, why do you think this image with no source and no reference to the actual findings is worth more than the plethora of studies that showed no carcinogens both before e-cigs was a thing, and in the early days of e-cig.?
What exactly are those early signs? Being alive maybe? This is not a link to an actual research paper, this is just bullshit, come back when you have a link to the actual study.
I’ve read dozens of actual studies, and I have (mostly) learned how to read them, and acknowledge when there are things that are beyond the scope of my knowledge because I don’t have a 5-7 year education on the issue. And then I search for info on those issues.
Really Ḯve spend hundreds of hours investigating this thoroughly, and I am an educated guy, the snippet you show is only evidence to me of low info reaction.
The part about inflammation is especially weird since PG, a common basis of e-juice is PROVEN to be anti inflammatory. DNA damage begin to happen from the day we are born, so without qualification that statement while obviously true, is equally obviously worthless.
I wonder if you have any actual knowledge on the subject whatsoever, because you act like one of the unknowing sheep this may very well be supposed to target.
You are awful defensive in the rest of this thread with people who are providing sources. Would sources even change your mind? Bcz i dont think they would.
the pharmaceutical quality products that dominate the industry.
I didn’t realise that the slimy guy who runs the 24hr convenience store and stares at the high school girls who come in just a little too long was using pharmaceutical grade materials to make his black market vapes.
If your response to a study on vaping risks is “just buy the pharmaceutical grade product”, you sound like the people who bought into the “filtered cigarettes are better for you” lie.
Actually chances are that that guy is using pharmaceutical grade bases and nicotine. And I don’t see why your fantasy story should reflect on the industry, because that kind of shop simply doesn’t exist here, an individual mixing his own juices doesn’t stand a chance in this business anymore, that rime passed more than a decade ago.
If people want home mixed, they can do it themselves.
I seriously doubt that, because the bases in e-juice were studied thoroughly in the 50’s with no such evidence.
And nicotine has obviously also been studied thoroughly, and the nicotine is not considered a major carcinogen in cigarettes, it’s mostly compounds created by the burning of the paper and tobacco that cause cancer that is the actual SMOKE in smoking, which vapes do not have, unless the vape is seriously overheated.
I bet that this study is flawed, if it truly shows indication of cancerous effects, I bet it’s because they overheat the e-juice, which has the same effect as burning fat on a frying pan. And with the e-juice taste horribly.
Either that or they’ve used impure products, and not the pharmaceutical quality products that dominate the industry.
If you are a vaper, make sure the nicotine and base juice are both pharmaceutical quality.
This is partially based on self reporting, which is the least reliable form of study there is.
Also I’ve never heard such warnings from dentists?
Unfortunately with these kinds of studies, we have to consider they can either be honestly flawed, but worse than that the studies can be dishonest to attract funding.
The dentist part makes zero sense…PG is antibacterial and antimicrobial, which we have known for decades now. This study like you said is %100 bullshit, and just like the “popcorn” lung study, probably burned the wicks and metals on the vapes with no solution at all.
Someone’s got an agenda here.
I vape and can tell you that degradation of the coil happens even without overheating the element or juice. Which means it’s possible for these particles to go into the body.
I vaped for 10 years, if you don’t change your coil/wig when it degrades enough to taste bad, you are an idiot.
IDK if you use sub ohm coils or other forms of extreme vaping, but coils don’t generally degrade, but they may build up gunk, which can be easily cleaned by burning it off.
But to get the data some studies have shown, you need to REALLY burn the coil, which taste like burned plastic, or like smoking the filter on a cigarette.
It’s absolutely awful.
There are many types of vaping, but none of them should make you use overheated coils, unless you make them yourself, and then you are doing it wrong.
Goddam I kind of miss the hobby side of it now. 🙁
Yes I use sub ohm coils. But I think you are wrong and even degradation without overheating makes these particles come lose. Otherwise it’s like saying that microplastics are no problem for you because you don’t microwave food in plastic containers.
Nope, those particles are not supposed to be generated except very slowly, and you are supposed to maintain your coil when you do sub ohm.
“Except very slowly”. You just make my point for me.
And even with perfect maintenance and low heat it still degrades. That’s just how heating stuff works.
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Studies in the 50s also said that asbestos was a good material to insulate your house with.
Were those health studies?
You know the lung problem with asbestos is quite unique, and it may have been unknown back then. If buildings weren’t for people, asbestos is very safe regarding fires, and an excellent material in many ways. But it was already in the 60’s that we began to ban and remove that shit, exactly because it is harmful to your lungs.
The bases in vaping have been used for instance for asthma inhalers for many many decades and is STILL used for that, and the pharmaceutical industry is pretty heavily regulated. It is also used as stage fog, in fog machines that spew enormous amounts into rooms full of people, with AFAIK no research showing any health problems, for the operators or the musicians or actors that are exposed to it every day.
But for some reason, when it’s an e-cig some people suddenly have a knee jerk reaction, and think whatever is inhaled in any way is unhealthy.
Your argument is basically whataboutism, and in that line you could ask yourself, what about the smell of making tea, surely that must be harmful too by your logic. All that tea vapor in the air that you inhale in closed rooms.
Actually it has been shown that people that vape to quit smoking, recover lung functionality faster than any other way of quitting smoking.
So anyone that quit smoking could benefit from using vapes even if they are nicotine free, for a few months.
Also when examined by a doctor, if you are vaping it registers as non smoker when measuring lung capacity.
Well they link the study, but i cant get the link to work. If I were able to actually read their protoctol this research might mean something, but since their source is evidently uncited this is fake news.
This comment is full of misinformation. I assume you aren’t intentionally trying to spread misinformation. I encourage you to do some research on this bcz most everything you’ve said is at best misleading, and at worst intentionally wrong.
I started vaping 15 years ago, and I have researched the issue intensively. So no this is not misinformation, you are the one that is uninformed. The number of obviously flawed studies on e-cigs is insane.
It is also funny how you completely fail to show anything wrong with my post, but just make a blanket statement without any real argument.
Have you researched the issue recently. Because some of the stuff you said was stuff I read about when I started vaping like 10 years ago. Like the stuff about it being too hot. Its something I see repeated a lot by people who dont want to see reality.
Yes, a study, many years ago, did that. But did this study do that? You cant keep trotting that line out and expect it to stay relevant.
Ive stopped vaping as of last year, but it was obvious to me the flavour compounds were a complete unknown.
If you think that was the only fake study you are wrong. There was also a study where they measured the formaldehyde using a test person, in a closed room.
Lo and behold they found formaldehyde, and the press spread the news like rabid dogs.
The problem was that we exhale formaldehyde naturally, and the level of formaldehyde measured was consistent with a person NOT vaping.
Most probably, because as I state there have been numerous studies that show no formaldehyde. These fake studies are made to push an agenda.
Good for you, I also stopped about 5 years ago, something I was unable to without the e-cig.
Not complete, they are used in professional kitchens and industries, where people have been exposed for many decades. The chemical nature is also known and is deemed safe.
You can also vape without flavor, which I did for about a year before quitting, the taste is actually quite nice IMO even without flavor.
But I must admit I can still miss the taste of a good RY4 despite I’m 100% off the nicotine.
Can you not see how biased and untrustworthy you sound? You effectively admitted to not even reading this study.
There is no source to the study, the link doesn’t work.
Also even if I read the study, it is not a sure thing that their mistake is obvious, and I’ve seen dozens of studies that were done correctly that show there are no known carcinogens in the vapor of e-cigs.
Or rather the ones that are detected are way less than 1% of a cigarette, which means vaping similar to smoking 20 cigarettes per day, will expose you to the equivalent of 0.2 cigarette. The biggest number being the formaldehyde we exhale naturally.
So please just piss off with you knee jerk ignorance.
I’ve studied the issue plenty, I don’t need to read yet another flawed study, I’ve seen plenty of those already.
Here’s the link in the article, that you said you couldn’t find.
Look i see what you are doing. You half read a few studies 10 years ago now recent science is beneath you. Its obvious, and I want you to know its obvious.
Weird since no major carcinogens are present, why do you think this image with no source and no reference to the actual findings is worth more than the plethora of studies that showed no carcinogens both before e-cigs was a thing, and in the early days of e-cig.?
What exactly are those early signs? Being alive maybe? This is not a link to an actual research paper, this is just bullshit, come back when you have a link to the actual study.
I’ve read dozens of actual studies, and I have (mostly) learned how to read them, and acknowledge when there are things that are beyond the scope of my knowledge because I don’t have a 5-7 year education on the issue. And then I search for info on those issues.
Really Ḯve spend hundreds of hours investigating this thoroughly, and I am an educated guy, the snippet you show is only evidence to me of low info reaction.
The part about inflammation is especially weird since PG, a common basis of e-juice is PROVEN to be anti inflammatory. DNA damage begin to happen from the day we are born, so without qualification that statement while obviously true, is equally obviously worthless.
I wonder if you have any actual knowledge on the subject whatsoever, because you act like one of the unknowing sheep this may very well be supposed to target.
You are awful defensive in the rest of this thread with people who are providing sources. Would sources even change your mind? Bcz i dont think they would.
What the fuck? What sources? I think you are imagining things.
It’s very clear that you have no experience with statistics or science.
I didn’t realise that the slimy guy who runs the 24hr convenience store and stares at the high school girls who come in just a little too long was using pharmaceutical grade materials to make his black market vapes.
If your response to a study on vaping risks is “just buy the pharmaceutical grade product”, you sound like the people who bought into the “filtered cigarettes are better for you” lie.
Actually chances are that that guy is using pharmaceutical grade bases and nicotine. And I don’t see why your fantasy story should reflect on the industry, because that kind of shop simply doesn’t exist here, an individual mixing his own juices doesn’t stand a chance in this business anymore, that rime passed more than a decade ago.
If people want home mixed, they can do it themselves.
You think that guy is “dominating the industry”?