Fuck elon musk for not allowing Ukraine to dismantle those war machines providing cover for this type of diabolical behavior to continue.
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conservative sub-human
Hey man. There’s no need for that
Very redundant
I thought Lemmy was different than Reddit. I’m not mad, just disappointed.
Now now. You don’t want the Musk rats attacking you.
Not sure what Elons reasoning is here, but i guess if it wasnt for Starlink, communication would have collapsed in the first week.
And that is why I am against forcing Ukraine to accept lost territory. If you let russia keep territory it has currently occupied, they will get away with all the torture, killing and abduction of civilians.
I thought you were against it back when Putin ordered Navalny
Russians have a history of doing this. And russians also have a history of having useful stooges spreading “both-sides-ism” and similar nonsense. What are you?
This is a really misleading title if it’s just grouping places where people were imprisoned with places people were actually tortured. There’s obviously a massive difference. This seems like the original article in Ukrainian: https://mvs.gov.ua/news/pid-cas-zustrici-iz-specialnoiu-dopovidackoiu-oon-z-pitan-tortur-katerina-pavlicenko-povidomila-pro-viiavlennia-v-ukrayini-80-rosiiskix-kativen
Are they actually saying people were definitely tortured in all 80 places there? (Also kind of funny, Google Translate seems to do a better job than the link in OP but it’s still not clear to me exactly what they meant.)
Putin chambers
One little question nobody here has asked himself:
How do YOU know that that’s true? Can you verify this information for youself? Could the source have any incentive to lie? Have you read any response about this from the other side?
I think you have a point in that it’s very possible government sources are exaggerating about this - I’m not too invested in what the invaders have to say about it though.
I would be extremely careful about these claims from Ukrainian officials. They showed before that they are capable of anything to have attention of mainstream press and western countries. It’s propaganda on both ends - Russian and Ukrainian.
so bOth SIdEs aRe BaD?
They need to make this moral conflation work because it’s the only way their position isn’t monstrous and genocide apologia.
(sorry, I’m on a low pixel diet)
Both propagandas are bad. They obviously want to make themselves look better than the other and the other as bad as it gets. This kind of information war is a basic instrument in wars since Americans invented it.
To your question that both are bad… Russian are killing people which is bad but to say that Ukrainian soldiers are good and that Ukrainians were saint nation before the war is a false statement as well.
From my point of view Ukraine is just a victim of global politics. To blame only Russia for this development is not fair cause Americans pushed them to this.
When USA attacked Iraq everyone was praising them and not placing sanctions against them even though that all reasons they provided to attack were intentionally falsified. And millions of civilians died and were tortured. But it’s middle east so why would west care, right?!
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“cause Americans pushed them to this” the first or the second time? Americans pushed then for Georgia and Siria too? It’s certainly the US faulty too for the disastabilizations that Russia is causing in Africa. They certainly pushed China to create conflict with indonesia, Philippines, malasya and Taiwan too, right? Go back to lemmygrad, US is shit as fck but don’t blame them for imperialism and land grab by authoritarian regimes.
Propaganda is “bad” but that does not mean everything is of equal weight. Killing people is bad but that doesn’t mean killing unprovoked is equal to killing in self defense. That doesn’t mean they’re even similar.
I would prefer if you kept your propaganda to yourself.
As a matter of fact I don’t give a damn what you prefer. 🤣
Clearly.
Be extremely careful about bad translations
