China has upset many countries in the Asia-Pacific region with its release of a new official map that lays claim to most of the South China Sea, as well as to contested parts of India and Russia, and official objections continue to mount. What is the map, and why is it upsetting people so much?
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It seems significant, then, that Beijing chose to release the map on the heels of a late August meeting of the BRICS nations — Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa – and just before China is to participate in top-level meetings of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and the Group of 20 rich and developing nations.
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In releasing the map now, Beijing is widely seen as signaling it has no intention of backing down on any of its claims and is making sure that its positions are fresh in the minds of other countries in the region.
They’re just doing what America has been doing since WW2. Why should America be the only power in the world?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Yes. This could be considered a whataboutism. But that’s not always a bad thing. See here. Context matters. This article puts China in a negative light. I’m not defending China’s actions. I think it is inflammatory. But I also felt obligated to relay the hypocrisy of America.
Why do you feel obligated to bring a 3rd party country, which is not mentioned at all in the article, into the discussion? Its a common discussion hijacking technique.
By obligated do you mean contractually obligated to scan the Internet and inject “American bad” into every article about China? If so, how much does that pay?
This discussion is about a map China just drew, America has nothing to do with it.
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The Independent published the article. They are based in the UK. It is in their interest as part of the capitalist hegemony, led by America to make China look bad (the enemy). I just pushed back against that narrative. It was not my intention to highjack the discussion. Also, I was the first to comment, so there was nothing to highjack at the time.
China is making China look bad.
Then, how do you know about it?
Here’s China’s new map of their claimed territory from China’s own website.. For comparison, here’s one provided by Wikipedia with the Dark Green is claimed and controlled. The light green is claimed, but not controlled. The wiki map seems to be out of date anyway. It doesn’t included the claimed, but not controlled specs out to sea.
This is also being talked about in all the news outlets of China’s neighbors. The Independent was not the first place I saw this news. China is making China look bad.
OMG you are right. Just read several articles about it. I feel bad for finding it hilarious. Why provoke India? Talk about throwing around your weight,
So first to comment, wow, don’t they pay an extra 50 cent for being so astute? You earned you money on this one. Well done comrade!
They don’t pay us money silly. We get a bonus ration on our food card. Dependent on what the commissar deems acceptable, and what resources are available. Usually rice or bread, but never eggs. I miss eggs.
Does the US actively commit genocide? Do they keep one particular part of their population in work and concentration camps?
Do they suppress every opinion you have? Do they arrest you for those opinions?
Get the fuck out of here with your whataboutism. Living under China, if you are not chinese is a death sentence, you might just live in nazi germany as a non german. I’d much rather be under the US.
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Elaborate.
You lived in China? Tell us about your experience.
I’ve seen enough perspectives of people who did live in China and seen enough people (even some of my friends) disappear to make a judgement.
If you want to such Xi cock so hard, please shut the fuck up and move there, tankie scum
Forgive me if I don’t trust your anecdotal evidence. You’ve had friends disappear? Insult’s won’t help me to see your perspective. I am not, nor will I ever be, a tankie. I choose not to have a narrow minded view of the world.
If you are not a tankie, how can you possibly defend China? If you do, you are a tankie, or you are fucking stupid.
If my “anecdotal evidence” supports the reality, does it matter that it’s anecdotal? There is so much fucking evidence of their evil actions yet you blindly follow their propaganda.
And you talk about a narrow view of the world. Wake the fuck up, for your own sake
It’s a map. Not the Boxer Rebellion. Criticizing America is not defending China. I don’t defend China or their propaganda. Your mad about a map article posted on the internet. Take a break.
Care to provide any examples?
_gestures at the world _ source Another one
Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see any territories that have been incorporated into the US since WWII. The military interventions and soft power stuff hasn’t added any territory.
If you’re okay with military interventions and soft power; surely you’re okay, or at least ambivalent, with China doing the same thing.
It depends entirely on the reason. I am not universally opposed to military intervention. But I think the US has wrongfully intervened before as well. It all depends on whether it’s a just war.
It’s in China’s self-interest to expand their financial hegemony and weaken America’s. To them, it is just. American Exceptionalism is a myth. We are no better than any other country, and the readers here need to be reminded.
This guy is definitely a troll, he shows up on a lot of posts to try and deflect any criticism back to America. Im guessing if you check his profile you’ll see what I mean but his name has stood out a couple times now on other threads.
I’m human and American. Not a troll. I just see the world as objectively as I can, not how I want it to be. I live in America, but I don’t let my selfishness cloud the reality that America is the cause of many of the world’s problems. You don’t have to agree with me. That’s fine. I’m just here to elevate the discussion beyond the myth of American Exceptionalism.
Self interest is not absolutely just. Morality isn’t defined by what the local government says.
For example, the US in Cuba was unjust though it was in their best interest.
Correct. Utilitarianism is contextual and relative.
The freedom of other nations should be of concern, no matter who is the imperialist country.
Oh you mean like the 19th century, when there were several European powers carving up Africa, Asia, and the Pacific?
No. Imperialism.
Right. It sound like you are just fine with it as long as its not monopolized. Or at least committed by the right powers.
I think I agree with you that it should not be monopolized. But I don’t think there are any “right” powers. We need to start understanding that we are all part of this world. Nations are social constructs. From space, there are no borders. I know that sounds hokey and utopian, but it is the truth.
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