In Japan and South Korea there is deepening concern over the reliability of long-time American security guarantees – whether the U.S. will come to their aid in the event of a war. This has been turbo-charged by Donald Trump’s tough treatment of traditional U.S. allies, which has some in Tokyo and Seoul calling for a reassessment of their non-nuclear policies.
Hey Canada…We should be thinking about this, also.
I wish but… Do you think they won’t invade us at the whiff of nuclear armament?
I don’t trust them not to invade us without that protection, anyways.
Agreed. I just think that would make it certain.
If we could get nukes secretly I’d be all up for it.
If Japan and South Korea go through with this perhaps we could purchase some from them (or elsewhere, UK, France, hell, even China) to cover us while we work on a domestic program.
Buy a loaded submarine on the hush-hush and sail it to Vancouver? I like it.
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Building nukes is like unionizing; ideally you don’t go public until you already have your nukes/union
Gonna be tough to hide when all our computer systems run on Microsoft, Google, or Amazon platforms.
You know who really needs the bomb? Canada needs the bomb. It has a hostile authoritarian military superpower on its border with 10x the population, hostile trade relations, and a stated intention by national leaders to invade and conquer core Canadian territories. Canada is in the exact situation where a nuclear deterrent is most justifiable. If nukes are ever justifiable, they’re justifiable for small powers facing potential invasion by aggressive larger ones.
Canada needs the bomb.
That’s the difference between Obama’s stance of “we won’t use the bomb if you don’t have it” and trump/Putin’s “we won’t take you seriously if you don’t have the bomb”
One encourages disarmormebt. The other armorment
I can’t blame them for wanting to do it. Same with a whole lot of other countries right now.
I’d also like to point out that this will necessitate a new round of nuclear weapons tests. We’re giving up on a hard won success:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel#Present_day
World anthropogenic background radiation, caused by atmospheric nuclear testing, peaked at a level 0.11 mSv/yr (4%) above the natural 2.40 mSv/yr. It began to fall in 1963, when the Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty was enacted, and by 2008 it had decreased to only 0.005 mSv/yr above natural levels. This has made special low-background steel no longer necessary for most radiation-sensitive uses, as new steel now has a low enough radioactive signature.
it seems that only my country (iran) having nukes is bad.
Apples & oranges honestly. Best would be no one resorts to that strategy. 2nd best is extreme regimes - especially vindicative and religious ones - don’t have such weapons.
Honestly, I trust Iran to behave like a rational actor a whole lot more than I trust Trump. Yes, they’re run by religious nutjobs, but they have been proven to show some restraint on international policy.
Iran as a nation has been around for millenia, I think they have their shit together more than some fresh and not so fresh upstart colonies, like Israel and the USA.
Rational? While they push for shit like virgins in the afterworld ? No thanks. But you are right that suddenly USA isn’t rational anymore either. It seems harder to deprive someone than to simply prevent access to.
sigh. Do you know what “rational actor” means?
Well, I should think so but entertain me…
It means they have motivations, and seek those motivations in a rational way.
Meaning they are religiously motivated, but that doesn’t mean they behave in unpredictable ways. They’re not going to launch a nuke just because they feel like it. On the contrary, they have shown a great deal of restraint.
“virgins in the afterworld” as an irainian the first time I heard that was from a stand up comedy from Robin Williams.
don’t believe the bullshit.
Dude, don’t act as if your government was anything short of extremism. Setting aside the people obviously. It is absolutely a theocracy which is fucking insane in 2025. Just look at it from the sky and tell me how wonderful it is the best country in the world. That’s no utopia…
I mean I am sure usa germany and japan are the most peace loving countries in the last century. unlike iran that literally didnt start a war in that last 200 years.
sorry.
from my perspective my country needs nukes the most of the “Candidates”
Actually this is a good point. 2 of them actually grew out of their initial ways. Admittedly one regressed.
But neither Germany nor Japan are fucking theocracies beheading gays or whatever.
So you gouvernement can suck dicks and hopefully gets replaced by a secural one.
You made abortions illegal, you have the right to point fingers?
I what?
So not only you keep on steering away from the point but you are hilariously wrong on all your assumptions.
My county of residence and origin is absolutely not making abortions illegal.
Also I, as a citizen, am not making anything illegal. I’m taking great care to separate country, government and citizen which you should really consider doing as well.
Governments makes things illegal. An often times a specific branch there of. Generally not citizens themselves with very odd exceptions like parts of Switzerland and such.
I’m having an opinion which I’m very much entitled to in a fucking democracy. Which might be an alien concept to you I gather.
if palestine shown anything is that the collective west didnt grow out of any of its bad habits.
whole of west got behind destroying syria so that “assad” should go because he was bad. because assa “bombed hostpitals and you wouldnt do that even to kill Al-Qaeda terrorists”
now he is replaced with Al-Qaeda commander and he gets welcomed in france and usa. and jewish isis gets to bomb every hospital and university and be the animal that they are because “khamas”.
if you think western regime goals is “saving gays” or something like that you are retarded.
if Libya Syria Afghanistan and of course the best of them saudi arabia was not enough to show you what is the most important foreign goals of eu and usa, I can’t help you.
The hell you bring Palestine into how a theocracy should be prevented to get access to nuclear dissuasion? Stay on the topic please… They are a shit regime that must not have access to more than what they have and even that is too much.
I am trying to show you some points.
all those you call secular governments in west like uk usa france germany and so on, did and continue to do invasions war crimes and atrocity world over.
so I don’t get your obsession with non-secular countries, and thinking that only non-secular countries are capable of good.
whatever my government does , doesn’t even get near to level of what Israel did for the last 80 years and especially last two years.
and all those “secular” countries supported israel completely with actions (words are useless)
israel is a secular country? if so that is news to their government which read from their religious texts when they do an genocide and war crimes. if you have not head that it is because you are ignorant. and those secular regimes is west are completely fine with them doing it.
so I don’t think west care about religious genocide if their buddies commit it.
and my country needs the nukes to survive as history has shown western regimes treaties are not worth the paper that it is written on. if jcpoa didnt show that nothing will. they bombed who they want and kill whoever they want.
be better informed and don’t be fox news level of ignorant.
Again you are steering away from the discussion ; focus please. 2 wrongs never did a right.
Whatever you try to weasel about comparing other countries is absolutely irrelevant when discussing the likelihood of Iran having access to nuclear weapons being a good thing.
The rest of the world being filled to the brim with assholes is irrelevant. My county is irrelevant.
We are just looking at a shit gouvernement in Iran in a fucking vacuum.
And the possibility that THEY get nuclear weapons being is atrocious in itself.
Japan having nukes is gonna be PR nightmare given their imperialistic history lol.
As for South Korea and ROC/Taiwan, sure thing. UK ot France should sell them some nuclear armed submarines lol.
what if they launch them out of gundams? that seems like it wouldn’t be quite so much of a PR nightmare
No no, the nuclear-armed Gundam doesn’t come until after the war with Zeon.
okay how about a naval cruiser that can also turn into a space ship
Japan actually has the technology and know-how to rapidly spin up a nuclear weapons program because they were already doing it before signing up on their non-nuclear policies with the US.
The real question is which country is going to be the first to actually jump ship. I’m fairly certain like 95% of the UN is just going to wait out Trump’s term and hope the next president will undo all his insane plans, because no one wants to lose longstanding ties with the US, even as the rug pull of 70+ years of American influence going under gets closer to reality.
Don’t be silly, the US will be happy to sell weapons to South Korea and Japan. Also, they will sell to whoever attacks them!
