My comment was something like “this is purely hyperbole but more brave Americans should hold ice to account” in the post about the 10 arrested folks in Texas. I’m not being pedantic I genuinely feel if a person lives in a fascist state then the individual has a right to hold the state to account for actions the state commits. I don’t see why I need to kowtow and sympathize with ICE… I just don’t know how else to describe my feelings.
From my understanding, that’s what has been removed, and why another thread about ICE officers being ambushed / shot by vigilantes on the 4th is locked.
If you convince the public that one group is undeserving of human rights, then it’s easier to convince them of the next group. It’s also incredibly easy to expand the first group you’ve already dehumanized to include even more people than it did before.
Even if you think nazi’s don’t deserve human rights, what definition of nazi are you using? On the internet, especially Lemmy, people will take each other out of context, call each other nazis over the slightest disagreement and then strut around like they’ve somehow won the debate.
You say nazis don’t deserve human rights but then people go around calling each other nazis over nothingburger disagreements which, according to your logic, immediately revokes their human rights.
And the jump to “the mods must be fascist supporters” is an absolute dive straight into insane troll logic.
The paradox of tolerance doesn’t say shit about adopting the tactics of your perceived enemies (dehumanizing people to justify jailing them or worse) nor does it condone it. It also does not give one a pass to advocate violence against people one accuses of being part of the not-tolerated group.
Again, if the populace of Lemmy didn’t jump straight to “You’re a nazi/bootlicker” as a default method of disagreement, these kinds of comments could be taken differently.
You need to understand, this isn’t “adopting their tactics.” This is “if you do not tolerate others, you no longer are protected by the social contract.”
You can opt out if you wish, but that has to cut both ways, or your contract of tolerance is worthless.
I never said they don’t deserve human rights. I’ve said they are not human. They trade all humanity when they choose to be nazis. Why are you tolerant of nazis enough to not see this point as a repercussion of their own choices?
I never said they don’t deserve human rights. I’ve said they are not human.
That’s literally dehumanizing. I don’t know how you think there’s a difference. If you decree that someone is not human, then what else can you possibly call that?
Why are you tolerant of nazis enough…
I’m not. That’s just the conclusion you jumped to because I modded you for dehumanizing people in the same way the ones you have such strong opinions about have done. Again, yes, the paradox of tolerance exists, but it is not a blank check for that kind of behavior.
You cannot dehumanize that which is not human. THEY dehumanize themselves. Look, I am not going to budge from this mindset. They are physically in meatspace human. But their hearts, minds, souls, and intentions are no longer such. They simply cannot be trusted let alone given an inch.
Bottom line look you got a job to do. Calls for violence? Spams? Yadda yadda. Modding aint easy. But for all that is honest - stop pretending it is somehow important to remind people nazis are human too. “dehumanizing” is your thing, I get that. But look at your audiences and the replies you’ve “inspired” by your action.
if I have been shown to toss a salute, support trump, pine for the good old blood and soil days, and or supply logistics to those doing those things, sure.
as in, the persons in the original article.
it is a choice to support them. a choice that makes you one of them.
america is the bad guy on the current era’s world stage.
stop making it difficult to call nazis out for being inhuman pieces of trash.
they can be healed! but not by threads online. direct community action and a sprinkling of leopards eating faces will turn some around back into being human again.
mods here in this comm are known fascist supporters. if you “dehumanize” a nazi they boot you.
ICE should not only be held accountable but demolished.
New refugee from Reddit - is there a better community for discussing politics without heavy handed mods stepping in?
“Discussing politics” meaning calling for violence? You could start your own community for that if you want.
Where is the call for violence?
My comment was something like “this is purely hyperbole but more brave Americans should hold ice to account” in the post about the 10 arrested folks in Texas. I’m not being pedantic I genuinely feel if a person lives in a fascist state then the individual has a right to hold the state to account for actions the state commits. I don’t see why I need to kowtow and sympathize with ICE… I just don’t know how else to describe my feelings.
From my understanding, that’s what has been removed, and why another thread about ICE officers being ambushed / shot by vigilantes on the 4th is locked.
Gotcha. Yeah. not ok with calls for violence. that’s just fed bait and unsafe anyway.
I’m 100% ok with reminding folks trash ideologies beget trash people who give up their humanity.
Violence is a necessary answer to fascism. Can’t win against a bully with your hands tied behind your back screaming for peace.
If you convince the public that one group is undeserving of human rights, then it’s easier to convince them of the next group. It’s also incredibly easy to expand the first group you’ve already dehumanized to include even more people than it did before.
Even if you think nazi’s don’t deserve human rights, what definition of nazi are you using? On the internet, especially Lemmy, people will take each other out of context, call each other nazis over the slightest disagreement and then strut around like they’ve somehow won the debate.
You say nazis don’t deserve human rights but then people go around calling each other nazis over nothingburger disagreements which, according to your logic, immediately revokes their human rights.
And the jump to “the mods must be fascist supporters” is an absolute dive straight into insane troll logic.
Please look up the Paradox of Tolerance, also known as the Contract of Tolerance.
The paradox of tolerance doesn’t say shit about adopting the tactics of your perceived enemies (dehumanizing people to justify jailing them or worse) nor does it condone it. It also does not give one a pass to advocate violence against people one accuses of being part of the not-tolerated group.
Again, if the populace of Lemmy didn’t jump straight to “You’re a nazi/bootlicker” as a default method of disagreement, these kinds of comments could be taken differently.
Why are you defending the intolerant so hard?
You need to understand, this isn’t “adopting their tactics.” This is “if you do not tolerate others, you no longer are protected by the social contract.”
You can opt out if you wish, but that has to cut both ways, or your contract of tolerance is worthless.
Fuck nazis.
I never said they don’t deserve human rights. I’ve said they are not human. They trade all humanity when they choose to be nazis. Why are you tolerant of nazis enough to not see this point as a repercussion of their own choices?
That’s literally dehumanizing. I don’t know how you think there’s a difference. If you decree that someone is not human, then what else can you possibly call that?
I’m not. That’s just the conclusion you jumped to because I modded you for dehumanizing people in the same way the ones you have such strong opinions about have done. Again, yes, the paradox of tolerance exists, but it is not a blank check for that kind of behavior.
You cannot dehumanize that which is not human. THEY dehumanize themselves. Look, I am not going to budge from this mindset. They are physically in meatspace human. But their hearts, minds, souls, and intentions are no longer such. They simply cannot be trusted let alone given an inch.
Bottom line look you got a job to do. Calls for violence? Spams? Yadda yadda. Modding aint easy. But for all that is honest - stop pretending it is somehow important to remind people nazis are human too. “dehumanizing” is your thing, I get that. But look at your audiences and the replies you’ve “inspired” by your action.
Removed by mod
Yep they are some combination of ignorant, greedy, selfish, and cruel, but they are indeed human.
And despite what this administration wants us to think, Latinos are humans too and most are not criminals.
if I have been shown to toss a salute, support trump, pine for the good old blood and soil days, and or supply logistics to those doing those things, sure.
as in, the persons in the original article.
it is a choice to support them. a choice that makes you one of them.
america is the bad guy on the current era’s world stage.
stop making it difficult to call nazis out for being inhuman pieces of trash.
they can be healed! but not by threads online. direct community action and a sprinkling of leopards eating faces will turn some around back into being human again.