Amazon is seeing some employees quit instead of moving to a new state as part of relocation mandate::As Amazon tries to get employees back to the office, some staffers are being told to relocate to hubs in different states if they want to keep their jobs
Exactly by design. It’s a lot cheaper to make people quit than to lay them off and pay a severance package.
The problem is you lose good employees this way, instead of the employees you should actually be letting go of.
And then those good employees go work for your competition. Oopsie!
Couldn’t you decline to move and then force the company to fire and/or lay you off?
That probably depends on their contract and location. Not coming to the office after being told to might result in being fired with cause which may result in loss of severance pay. It might also constitute abandonment of the position which can be seen as “quitting” in some place.
Exactly this. Also, the market has cooled off now with more people looking for employment, so if they need to rehire, it will be cheaper.
Well, uh… Duh? I mean, even if people absolutely loved their jobs and their employer, not everyone is going to move because the job moves. And Amazon isn’t exactly the most loved employer.
Yep, even before COVID in my old job we moved office that basically changed my commute from a 10 minute walk to a 1 hour drive thru a shitty downtown traffic and my mental health sank. Even though in my previous job it was similar. I was already so used to having only 20 minutes of my day taken for commute (and the ability to have lunch at home).
Having that changed to at least 2 hours a day (take into account more expenses due to using personal vehicle, more time taken due to looking for a parking spot, and no I didn’t use public transport because it’s shitty in my area and can add another hour to my commute).
Since going full remote at the start of COVID basically the first thing I ask to any recruiter contacting me is whether the role is remote or not. If yes the next question is whether the management have plans to go back to the office in the current or next fiscal year.
Even with it’s drawbacks, remote work has been a boon for me. I get to spend more time with my children, I get rewarded when I work efficiently because I can finish working faster. With Discord I can still keep building rapport with my coworkers by having game nights weekly.
It’s really understandable, and even just a 1-hour commute changes an average day from 8 hours to ten hours, which is a huge quality of life difference.
As a manager, it’s a little frustrating because I have great job applicants that are only interested in 100% remote but much of my work requires people to be hands on with hardware, and my company has a hybrid policy, so everyone has to be in plant some days.
My team is all software developers, and I have no doubt about them being as productive or more from home as at work (though in-person collaboration is more effective than remote). I don’t have any personal issue with it and am as liberal as policy allows about approving remote work, but some things we do just have to be hands-on.
Thankfully, my personal commute is about 15 minutes, so isn’t a big impact in my day
People aren’t afraid of what will happen if they quit a job they don’t like anymore after COVID taught us that we can weather some down time and find employers that match our values.
This is one way to reduce staff without having to fire or pay severance.
How is this even legal. Isn’t this considered workplace bullying?
Please explain what ypu think “workplace bullying” is here. While I think it’s stupid, in at will states, Amazon’s terms of employment can be whatever Amazon wants as long as they comply with federal and state laws. It’s not illegal to tell you your job is moving. It’s just a shitty thing to do to your employees. There’s not bullying here. It’s just terms of employment.
What do you consider bullying if not just doing shitty things to people because you can?
I mean I don’t like capitalism, but this is just capitalism. I appreciate that there is emotion in it, but it’s not as personal as bullying is and I think you are misusing the term bullying altogether. Bullying is a personal attack, this isn’t personal and doesn’t impact an individual in the same way bullying does.
Doesn’t make it right, but this is not bullying. Also, bullying isn’t illegal in any context. You’d have to argue for a hostile work environment and saying your job moved isn’t a hostile work environment.
I’ll agree that bullying is probably the wrong term.
Where I’m from you can’t just force people to change work location. If they want to move the company they can, but it has to be within x km of the preclvious building or get agreement from a certain percentage of employees. Otherwise it counts as a collective firing of the workforce.
Politicians should act on this stuff tbh.
Guys, you realize that this is already factored into the move right? You think the team was just shocked that most of the work force didn’t leave? 🤦♂️
huuuh, movve or lost your job.
It is suprised to see many people want to lost their job instead of move.
Kid these day are so lazy.
You’re trying too hard
