• oakey66@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    My consulting company is literally talking about nothing else. It’s fucking awful.

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      15 days ago

      Mine also mentioned it on the last company retreat. That it’s important to look into using AI tools and not get “left behind”. Old geezers who don’t code anymore who think this is something we want to work with.

      I’m fine with using AI as some sort of dynamic snippets tool where I myself know what I want the code to look like in the end, and where you don’t have to predefine those snippets. But not to write entire apps for me.

      I don’t even use regular dumb snippets. It’s so easy to write code without them, why should I dumb myself down.

      • oakey66@lemmy.world
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        14 days ago

        I’m in IT consulting. I have personally done some really cool shit for my clients. Things they didn’t have the talent to do themselves. Business management consulting and tax audit consulting is a completely different story. I don’t help automate away jobs. I’m not presenting decks to strip companies and governments for parts. Needless to say, not all consulting is created equally and my hope is that there comes a time where this bubble bursts this push for AI dies on the vine.

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            14 days ago

            We help them build solutions that they then maintain and own. I’m in analytics. So we’re doing data engineering, security, and delivery.

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              14 days ago

              Just to add the difference. Managed solutions typically has the consulting firm managing the maintenance. In some cases, they take over an existing solution vs the consulting company building something.

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      15 days ago

      Same, but they did set up a self hosted instance for us to use and, tbh, it works pretty good.

      I think it’s s good tool specifically for helping when you dunno what’s going on, to help with brainstorming or exploring different solutions. Getting recommended names of tools, finding out “how do other people solve this”, generating documentation, etc

      But for very straightforward tasks where you already know what you are doing, it’s not helpful, you already know what code you are going to write anyways.

      Right tool for the right job.

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        15 days ago

        I use it as a form of google, basically. I ask it coding questions a lot, some of which are a bit more philosophical. I never allow it to write code for me, though. Sometimes I’ll have it check my work

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    14 days ago

    An LLM does not write code. It cobbles together bits and pieces of existing code. Some developers do that too, but the decent ones look at existing code to learn new principles and then apply them. An LLM can’t do that. If human developers have not already written code that solves your problem, an LLM cannot solve your problem.

    The difference between a weak developer and an LLM is that the LLM can plagiarize from a much larger code base and do it much more quickly.

    A lot of coding really is just rehashing existing solutions. LLMs could be useful for that, but a lot of what you get is going to contain errors. Worse yet, LLMs tend to “learn” how to cheat at their tasks. The code they generate often has lot of exception handling built in to hide the failures. That makes testing and debugging more difficult and time-consuming. And it gets really dangerous if you also rely on an LLM to generate your tests.

    The software industry has already evolved to favor speed over quality. LLM generated code may be the next logical step. That does not make it a good one. Buggy software in many areas, such as banking and finance, can destroy lies. Buggy software in medical applications can kill people. It would be good if we could avoid that.

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      I am at a company that is forcing devs to use AI tooling. So far, it saves a lot of time on an already well defined project, including documentation. I have not used it to generate tests or to build a green field project. Those are coming tho as we have been told by management that all future projects should include AI components in some way. Coolaid has been consumed deeply.

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        I think of ai more as an enhanced autocomplete. Instead of autocompleting function calls, it can autocomplete entire lines.

        Unit tests are fairly repetitive, so it does a decent job of autocompleting those, needing only minor corrections

        I’m still up in the air over regexes. It does generate something but I’m not sure it adds value

        I haven’t had much success with the results of generating larger sections of code

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    I can’t even get it to help with configurations most of the time. It gives commands that don’t exist in that OS version, etc.

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    Not in the work force anymore but these accounts remind me of other influences that were foisted on me and my coworkers over the span of my software career. A couple I remember by name were Agile and Yourdon Structured Design, but there were a bunch more.

    In the old days somebody in management would attend a seminar or get a sales presentation or something and come back with a new “methodology” we were supposed to use. It typically took the form of a stack of binders full of documentation, and was always going to make our productivity “skyrocket”. We would either follow some rigorous process or just go through the motions, or something in between, and in say 6 months to a year the manager would have either left the company or forgotten all about it.

    It sounds like today’s managers are cut from about the same mold as always, and AI is yet another shiny object being dangled in front of them.