• atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
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    17 days ago

    It’s still speculation. You can’t provide evidence for Putin doing a thing in support of somebody else doing it.

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      17 days ago

      Chances that a US 3 letter agency has conducted clandestine operations within the country (aimed at misleading it’s own populace) in the past 5 years are pretty much a certainty.

      Speculation is pretty much all one can do for these because the evidence is deliberately and professionally hidden. Such evidence may never be available to the public and usually takes time to surface.

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        17 days ago

        Chances that a US 3 letter agency has conducted clandestine operations within the country (aimed at misleading it’s own populace) in the past 5 years are pretty much a certainty.

        That’s an assumption you’re making and then simply declaring to be self-evident.

        It is not.

        Speculation is pretty much all one can do for these because the evidence is deliberately and professionally hidden. Such evidence may never be available to the public and usually takes time to surface.

        And there it is, the conspiracy theorist’s bread and butter.

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          17 days ago

          That’s an assumption you’re making and then simply declaring to be self-evident.

          It’s self evident to anyone who reads the things that have been released regarding past events.

          The US government has consistently relied on misleading it’s populace as a tactic. If you genuinely don’t believe this and want examples to digest with an open mind, id be glad to throw some out.

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            17 days ago

            If you genuinely don’t believe this and want examples to digest with an open mind, id be glad to throw some out.

            Only if they’re related to this claim.

            You can’t use “other things have happened” to make any damn claim you want. This is conspiracy bullshit.

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              14 days ago

              I was going to link you to a wikipedia article titled CIA controversies but took the time to name a few of the more flagrant episodes by them and the FBI which would be more interesting to learn about.

              Operation north wood, midnight climax, mk ultra, project mockingbird, cointelpro, operation chaos, the church committee reports.

              Reading about just a few of these should start to reveal that skepticism regarding the intent and methodology of the US gov is a valid response and not necessarily in line with ‘conspiracy theory bullshit.’

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                14 days ago

                The FBI has done bad things. Therefore I can claim the FBI did and does anything I want without evidence.