Summary
Support for Germany’s far-right AfD is surging among young men, driven by concerns over immigration, conservative values, and distrust of mainstream politics.
A Pew study found 26% of German men view AfD positively, compared to 11% of women.
Social media, particularly TikTok, has helped spread its message. Some young supporters reject accusations of extremism, while others openly embrace far-right views.
Analysts warn that if mainstream parties ease their opposition to the AfD, it could become Germany’s dominant right-wing party.
Yup. Seeing it first hand with a shorts addict relative right now. It‘s just doomscrolling all the way to the 4th Reich for many of them. It‘s sadly not surprising but all the more horrifying to see how utterly unequipped we are to deal the pace of „social“ media and how easy it is to spread far right ideology with lies and memes. I think a ban of TikTok and Xitter is inevitable at this point. They‘re too far gone.
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You aren’t being funny here. You are making a sexist claim and that isn’t funny.
You aren’t being funny here.
Good thing I specifically said I wasn’t trying to be funny then. I suppose you’re right though. There’s absolutely nothing to be learnt from 11% of women versus 26% of men supporting nazis. It’s a mystery. Martian shit.
Women are antivaxx at much higher rates. Women are much more likely to accept “alternative/fake medicine” than men. Women are more likely to ascribe to beliefs in astrology than men. Would any of this mean that women are less capable of rational thought or might there be something else going on for why these appeal more to women than men? Were I to take sexist logic to heart the conclusion would be that women are dumber than men yet that’s simply not true. This there is likely a different reason why these forms of bullshit appeal to women. I would suggest that it is because these forms of woo are targeted at women much like fascism inherently targets men as their audience.
Fascism relies on traditional gender roles and that has less appeal to women who would lose rights and power compared to men who would theoretically gain power. It’s less “there’s something wrong with the men” and more that fascism itself is designed to appeal to men.
It helps nothing and no one to engage in misogyny or misandry.
It also helps nothing and no one to “both sides” this conversation every time it starts. Astrology and homeopathy doesn’t even begin to fucking compare with nazism. Also, why do you call out astrology but not christianity? One is a dumb little thing involving sky magic that is mostly harmless and the other is also a dumb thing involving sky magic but the followers of that dumb thing are actually very dangerous and harmful to a lot of people that have to grow up with them. Haven’t met too many female priests in my life either.
Fascism relies on traditional gender roles and that has less appeal to women who would lose rights and power compared to men who would theoretically gain power. It’s less “there’s something wrong with the men” and more that fascism itself is designed to appeal to men.
Oh, is it? So what you’re telling me is that fascism appeals to men more than women because men don’t give as much of a shit about other people’s rights? Fascinating. Totally means there’s nothing wrong with men that needs addressing or changing. Sure.
Edit: in fact this whole fucking conversation is stupid considering that the stats are there at the top of the post for all to see. There is clearly a fucking problem. And the way to fix that problem is to actually address it instead of comparing it to astrology and calling it a day.
Edit 2: the moderators here in this community are actually fucking pathetic. Actually cannot see a good reason they removed my most recent comment too now. And I’m realising that this place is actually kinda worse than Reddit in this regard because it even removes the comment from your own profile. And these fucking moderators don’t notify you or give you an actual concrete reason with whichever word or phrase broke the fucking rules. Dodgy as fuck. They’re actually just out to control the conversation.
Which is very Reddit of them. It’s easy to forget that a lot of people here are ex Reddit moderators that pissed the users there off so much that no one was willing to join them in solidarity with the API debacle. Guess I’ve found my first Lemmy community to block.
Astrology and homeopathy doesn’t even begin to fucking compare with nazism
sooooo…ummmm…here’s the craziest thing; hold on, you’re not gonna believe this:
the nazis were SUPER into astrology, homeopathy, and similar shit!
nazi occultism is essential to nazi ideology, so not only are these concepts intimately intertwined, they form one of the pillars on which nazi iedology is built: “alternate science”
“alterantive science”, “aryan science”, or whatever else it’s called (it doesn’t actually matter, all of it is the exact same shit: NOT science), is an important part of fascist power structures in that it serves as a vehicle to legitimize the crazy racist and supremacist shit they want to believe.
phrenology, homeopathy, eugenics, and all the rest of the dogmatic bullshit played a major role in the 3rd reich by delegitimize the “jewish science”.
sound familiar? it should!
the modern equivalent is “woke science”, which, you know, is just regular science…
so, no, nazi ideology doesn’t “compare” to astrology and homeopathy: those are essential parts of nazism and the associated anti-intellectualism!
(ExtraHistory has a recent video series on the topic of nazi occultism; it’s on youtube and nebula, if you’re interested to learn more!)
Also, why do you call out astrology but not christianity?
not sure how it would play out nowadays, especially in the U.S., but in the 3rd reich the church was a significant source of resistance against nazi rule.
the reasons for that include the church having a vested interest in keeping some control over the population and it’s own propaganda, but the vast majority of resistance came from individual clergy members refusing to bow to the cruelty of the nazis, and defending their communities.
these priests resisted both directly and indirectly, rallied rebels, organized smuggling operations, provided meeting places, sheltered refugees, sabotaged, and generally made the jobs of the nazi oppressors that much harder.
many, MANY clergy members were murdered by the nazis for their resistance, and quite a few officially received martyrdom status, and a few are regarded as national heroes for their efforts!
so i’m an atheist, vehemently against the church and think that:
- it’s an institution of power and control over the poorly educated to keep them nice and distracted from the class struggle
- think the tax exempt status of churches, with little to no oversight on how that tax-free income is spent, is bullshit
- the priesthood serves as a shield for masses of sexual predators
- the indoctrination of young and vulnerable minds that haven’t had a chance to develop countermeasures to such influence is morally abhorrent
- the church has, and in some cases continues to, committed heinous crimes against humanity
…but you chose the one period in history that actually makes it kinda clear what benefits the church does provide.
like i said, i’m not a fan, and if it wasn’t the church i’m fairly confident others would have stepped up and taken on similar roles of resistance, as many indeed did at the time, and yet this is one of the few instances in which the members of the clergy were quite clearly on the right side of history for once…possibly the only time.
sooooo…yeah…unlucky example in this (very specific) context…
there’s a lot fascinating history around these two topics, highly recommend checking it out! ;)
My point is your sexist response is no more justified than thinking there’s something wrong with women because they are more likely to buy into things directed at women than things directed at men.
You then proceed to double down on that sexist position and then insult all Christians for no reason?
Your sexist views expresssed here are clouding your thinking.
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Can we please talk about how there is no active real left wing in any country?
Like sure the right wins when there is no real opposition.
I keep feeling like I’ve failed miserably as a person for not doing more. And I have no idea what should I be doing.
And I have no idea what should I be doing.
Imo:
- Finding other people who feel the same way
- Organizing/structuring your common discussion and research. I feel like I’ve seen 100 comment sections like this one where people see the problem, the commenters then speculate about the causes/solutions, and then the convo fizzles out without a deeper conclusion being reached. Every day under a new post, again and again. There is clearly manpower and a will to do something, it is just IMHO suffering from structurelesness. The conversation needs to be had once and thoroughly, in some central location that everyone can then be referred to. This way, people can specialize their research efforts, instead of everybody doing superficial research for themselves in isolation.
One centralized discussion I have seen is about the democratic side of the problem and it’s over at https://plurality.net/ (it is a crowd sourced work co-written using github). I think the political/economic side of the debate would benefit from piggybacking off of an existing centralized platform devoted to the cause, like https://generalstrikeus.com/ or some trade union.
There was a time that I thought the world hated nazis. I realize now it was only hitler the world didn’t like. It turns out they actually love Nazis.
Funny that this somehow was obvious for me since childhood. One of the perks of being autistic is that reading the same mainstream narrative texts you understand them differently.
The world loves those enforcing rules, because they have to be strong for that, and the world loves those breaking rules, because if today they are making a challenge, tomorrow they might become even stronger. Humans follow strength. So a new challenger of existing order is loved, a yesterday’s challenger who is still not a triumphant is hated.
Also the world wants to use those with integrity, but hang out with those without integrity. The former are reliable, and with the latter you can make any deal.
No conclusion other than a dagger is good for the one holding it and evil for the one lacking it when needed.
Social media, particularly TikTok, has helped spread its message.
Lies are easier to spread than the truth, and often more easily accepted too. Social media is fucked because of the near total lack of moderation - or desire to enact such.
After all, the ultra-wealthy often have little objection to being the useful pets of fascists, so long as they get to keep slightly more of their money*.
*until the fascists decide they want it even more than the scawwy LIBERALS did
It seems that every 80 years or so humanity has to learn a hard lesson over and over again.
Because they are stupid and easily influenced by propaganda.
Stupid ? All youngsters all around the world are stupid then.
They kind of are though. There’s a reason the word Sophomore exists and is used to describe students multiple times in their education career.
(Historically it means wise fool or; conceited and overconfident of knowledge but poorly informed and immature)
I gotta say, watching them destroy the world is not making me a fan of young men.
FUD: increase fear, uncertainty, and doubt by spreading misinformation propaganda and undermining independent, fact based journalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt
It’s the same tactic far right conservatives used against popular public progressive movements like the enlightenment, the hippies, corporate monopolies like IBM and Microsoft against open source, etc to divide the working class against themselves.
Fucking Hans, you gullible bitch, showing your face around here again… You think you’re gonna be a superman?
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This is true. Last time TikTok got popular in Germany was in 1930 and we all know how that ended.
Because they are fascists on the left there against free speech it increases fascism everywhere. When you make speech illegal it causes those groups to grow.
