Fuck Windows AND MacOS honestly
>See macOS criticism
>Look inside
>Absolutely no mention of macOS because it’s actually Apple hardware criticism
Well since we’re here:
You can’t easily remap keys
You can scroll right but not left with the track pad
The delete key doesn’t do anything in the finder
There was no window snapping until literally a few months ago
The terminal uses cmd+c instead of cmd+shift+c (really should be ctrl but okay)
The dock sucks when using multiple windows per app
Every app relies on an antiquated menu bar at the top which is straight out of 90s UI
The Fn key is where the ctrl key should be and the alt key is where the command key should be (hardware, can’t rebind without addon tho)
You can’t control audio levels on external displays (because Apple)
Software does not support multiple displays per port and instead can only have one display per port, meaning in order to have two displays you need one cable for hdmi and one cable for USB-C, can’t have two of each.
The mouse acceleration curve is a troll for anyone not using the trackpad, and cannot be adjusted aside from being turned off.
There’s a ton more but these were just off the top of my head.
EDIT:
Because multiple people mentioned this, I have a big issue with the command/meta key shortcuts because of Apple’s braindead placement of their keys on the keyboard, so its a combined hardware software issue.
I otherwise wouldn’t mind having to use command except my pinky has to wrap around to hit alt or I have to shift my entire hand to hit command because using a standard keyboard layout like literally every single other keyboard in existence is too much to implement.
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I’m saying this coming from gaming on ye olde ass cheapo office keyboards for years with no problems, clunky Chinese knockoff keyboards with no problems, and even tiny compressed button keyboards with no problems.
And as others have also shared, I am forced to put up with this crap because of my work. Thankfully, most of my actual work happens inside a nice customized Linux VM, but switching between the host is still required and has been a painful experience. I genuinely gave it a solid shot for several months hoping maybe this was just me never using Mac UI before, but even with all the addons this UI is annoying to use.
I can’t run a key rebinder though because the software is essentially a keylogger addon, so coaxing it to run even with IT is a pain, so now I’m probably going to buy another Corsair keyboard I can setup a hardware profile to make this a bit easier when I’m at least docked.
Not defending Crapple, but in the name of fairness, some of these aren’t really accurate unless you’re ignoring the spirit of the complaint and being pedantic.
You can scroll right but not left with the track pad
You can scroll up, down, left, and right if you use two fingers to scroll.
The delete key doesn’t do anything in the finder
You can use
command + backspaceto delete selected files.The terminal uses cmd+c instead of cmd+shift+c (really should be ctrl but okay)
The rest of the OS uses
command + cfor copying. This is consistent.Every app relies on an antiquated menu bar at the top which is straight out of 90s UI
This is a personal opinion. It’s a valid complaint, but it’s not a universal problem.
Ultimately you may be right about these, but the issue at the heart of them all is that Apple makes their stuff harder to use by people used to other systems, on purpose. They could very easily institute a toggleable setting that’d change the hotkeys to be more like…ya know…every other OS. They could make non-Apple hardware work better (wouldn’t be trivial but I’m fairly certain they put effort into making things worse as is), they could make messages and files transfer better between iPhone and Android, etc.
Lots of things they could do to improve the experience of non-mega-fans, but they choose to run their business in a way that punishes anyone who isn’t using them for everything. And fuck em for that.
Edit: eh, you did say you weren’t actually defending them, so I’m probably just preaching to the choir here. Just grumpy that I have to use one now and they punish me daily for my lack of utter worship lol.
You can (and I do) rebind the modifier keys in System Preferences. Makes it a lot comfier to use a Mac and another machine with the same keyboard via KVM switch.
I didn’t address that one because the commenter qualified it by saying you can’t easily change them, which is kind of true. You can change the modifiers, but anything beyond that or changing keyboard layouts is a crapshoot in my experience.
It’s considerably better than trying to remap anything on Windows, at least. But, it’s also not completely free from hard-coded hotkeys and dumb restrictions. For example,
Command + Tabcan’t be changed or disabled, and you need to use third-party programs like BetterTouchTool to hijack the sequence in order to replace it with some other action.More recently, I read that the latest OS version disallows registering hotkeys with only
OptionorOption+Shiftas the modifier, which is a very big step backward. Being able to insert unicode characters is cool, but it’s peanuts compared to having 80 more options for hotkey sequences that aren’t already used by the OS or application.
MAJOR EDIT: Forgive me, I am tired. I also don’t regularly use different keyboard layouts on different OSes. I need to clarify terminal shortcuts.
Control-C is how you terminate a process on terminal in macOS. I need to denote this as ^C, as such a key does not exist on traditional layouts. Cmd-C is copy. It is always copy, even on terminal (on Linux, you also have to hold shift).
If you use a Windows keyboard on macOS, your shortcut is now copy. After all, you are pressing Ctrl-C, so why wouldn’t it be copy? Termination is now probably done with Alt-C.
If you’re using Mac layout, none of this seems weird. I use a Mac layout on a Mac–all makes sense. If you don’t, then stuff gets wack. Not a macOS issue. More of a “we’ve been using this layout for fifty years and changing it would be stupid at this point” sort of thing.
- You can with extra software. See first paragraph of my original reply. Valid.
- …What?
- The delete key does do something in Finder. When pressed with the Command key, it deletes the file with no prompt. I’d rather that not be a single key press. This is a preference, not an issue.
- Mentioned already.
- I’m sorry, this is literally user error. That’s like saying Windows is stupid because it can’t anticipate my “quit app” shortcut being Command + Q instead of Alt + F4. Or, for a closer comparison, like setting Ctrl + C to Meta + C instead. They’re different operating systems, adapted for different keyboard layouts, and I shouldn’t have to elaborate on why this is stupid.
- Apps with multiple windows just kinda suck in general. I fullscreen everything, navigating between apps with gestures. Not quite multi-monitor, but fullscreen always behaves as expected and all gestures work, and the dock remains accessible–which I can’t say for any other desktop UI in existence.
- Preference that I personally like. Rude.
- Hardware.
- Absolutely true. They’ve insisted on a “one size fits all” volume bar for everything. It sucks. I laugh every time someone on an iPhone has volume trouble for this exact reason. Instead, you have to adjust media while it’s actively playing in the foreground. How very intuitive.
- Hardware. Granted, stupid, but still hardware. I’m pretty sure this is Apple Silicon only.
- Just turn it off. I’ve never seen a benefit to having accelleration.
Not perfect, but none of this reads as annoying as a full screen advertisment telling me to upgrade to an OS that I know has incredibly invasive spyware.
EDIT: The “delete” key on macOS keyboards is backspace. The key should be treated as such. The delete key on other keyboards is in a separate location with a separate purpose, and should not be seen the same on Macs just because it shares a name. I’ve never used a full size keyboard on macOS, so I don’t know how the forward-delete key works. If that doesn’t delete files in one go, that might be annoying… but not the other way around.
I’ve had the fun experience recently of moving my work related dev to the company-provided laptop, and boy oh boy have I come to hate Apple quickly.
Most surprising one for me was how trash it is at scaling UI on large displays. I have a pair of 27" and the system text is tiny. Turns out if I had Apple displays things would work better and that scaling option would be available. Instead I’m stuck just switching to a lower non-native resolution, which looks like shit and feels really outdated, but at least I can read the text and use the UI properly.
Don’t even get me started on how god awful finder is, windows 3.1 was nicer to use, macOS is garbage painted silver
The dock sucks when using multiple windows per app
This made me rage quit using a mac at work
https://lawand.io/taskbar/ you’re welcome
Lol, nice. I’ll never use MacOS again, but thank you.
CMD ` (backtick) will switch between application windows, if that’s what was frustrating you.
No, it was that there was no quick way to see what Firefox windows i had open from the dock.
The control+shift+c bullshit is really fucking annoying to me. Control has other uses? Great, THATS WHAT THE META KEY IS FOR.
Apple got this right and linux should allow everyone to use apple key shortcut method where every system wide shortcut is meta+key because nobody, not even clicky clacky terminal emulator uses meta+key for anything else.
You know what ctrl+shift+c does in teams? It calls the entire chat. Really simple to do when you’re switching between editing a message and copying from terminal.
Actively turning the PC into a walled garden
First point, could have worded it better, but that’s definitely all software
Plus, Apple controls the entire stack so criticism of MacOS is criticism of their hardware and vice versa
It’s not a criticism of macOS because it broadly describes all Apple hardware. Swap in “iPhone”, and nothing changes. A valid point to criticise macOS is in its constant deprecation of software (such as OpenGL), or how additional software is required to match some Windows features (less true now).
This ignores that macOS is, otherwise, the best non-libre OS. Changing the default browser changes the default browser. Spotlight search is fast and versatile, making Windows’ modern start menu look like a joke. Trackpad support is unmatched. Logic Pro and Final Cut remain industry leaders. Most importantly, it’s usually pretty damn fast, and free of ads.
Outside of gaming, there is not a single reason to use Windows over macOS–maybe if you enjoy suffering. With Linux distros officially being a better gaming medium than Windows, at least macOS still has a use case. It’s the perfect OS for people adapted to Apple’s style of workflow, which I’ve found to be a good one. Else, you can use NixOS, or Arch, or Gentoo… but never Windows.
Outside of gaming, there is not a single reason to use Windows over macOS–maybe if you enjoy suffering
Let me name a couple of shitty ones:
- Your work’s IT only supports Windows.
- You work with industrial control systems or lab equipment that only supports Windows.
- Hardware vendors are assholes that use proprietary protocols instead of USB device classes and don’t release drivers for anything other than Windows.
- You need to use CUDA.
- You need to use a dedicated graphics card for some reason or another.
- You’re hosting a server, but not competent enough to use Linux.
None of those are reasons to voluntarily choose Windows, but sadly, they’re still real reasons.
Swap in “iPhone”, and nothing changes.
The iPhone was an improvement to what was before, trying to make MacOS into a walled garden is going backwards
Nobody is calling support for Windows, fuck windows to, but nothing you said negates the sheer cost of being in a app walled garden on a PC, the obliteration of upgradeability and near 0 repairability
If your SSD dies or you start needing more RAM for your workflow Apples position is, essentially, “Get a new laptop, fuck the environment!”
So criticise Apple for being anti-repair and anti-competitive. Ah, but Apple being anti-repair is parroted just as much as Windows being garbage.
Welp, gotta be angry at something, today. Fuck [POPULAR COMPANY PRODUCT], and let’s go on with our day.
negates the sheer cost of being in a app walled garden on a PC
You don’t seem to want to address the walled garden problem, which flies directly in the face of user choice and freedom as much as the problems with the hardware does.
I don’t recognise the walled garden problem, because I’m on macOS, where software walled gardens do not exist. In other words, scarecrow. I’ve installed whatever the hell I wanted on there. It’s also confusing to single out macOS (which has better third-party repos than Windows by absolute leagues), when iOS is right there.
don’t recognise the walled garden problem, because I’m on macOS, where software walled gardens do not exist
Really, so you haven’t noticed that root hasn’t really been root lately? Or that it’s been getting harder to install software from outside the MacOS app store with each update? They’re not stupid, they’re not going to do it all at once, they’re doing it bit by bit.
Mark my words, there will be a day in the short term when you go to install something outside the MacOS app store and you’ll get a “Can’t do that without a paid Apple dev account” error, at best
It’s also confusing to single out macOS (which has better third-party repos than Windows by absolute leagues), when iOS is right there.
Once again, iOS being a walled garden is an improvement to what was before and I’m not advocating for Windows in any sense of the word
I hated apple way before I hated windows. But basically just fuck corporations entirely. All of them.
I used to be an apple certified repair technician. Fuck apple and everything they do.
Their hardware is purposely designed to be as unrepairable and difficult to get into as possible. They literally spent millions developing their own new screw types for the inside of their phones. Diabolical evil shit.
Their software is also ass, but I haven’t ever daily used any apple products in my life so I am less annoyed by that. I only had to know how to fix em for years. Every time I have to trouble shoot a user issue on Mac it takes me like twice as long to fix because again they design it to be hard to fix things.
Stupid company. Shitty products. Microsoft and windows are right behind them though. Good lord has windows just continued to get worse and worse over the course of my life.
When my 2018 MBP touch bar glitched and a replacement was the whole-ass “upper case” including the battery, I knew we were cooked. Meanwhile, in my old 2012 MacBook pro I’m swapping parts like a madman to enjoy it, like you should.
You can replace just the touch bar, I’ve done it, but it’s a nightmare. Much cheaper and less waste though
That thing is seriously glued on. Like people complain about the battery adhesive but it’s not really that bad, some solvent takes it out pretty quick on most models (though it’s still not necessary and would be much better if it was just screwed into place). That touch bar though, that glue is crazy and any solvent or heat you use has to be super carefully managed because you’ll melt the keys very easily. Some tutorials have you basically just smash the shit out of it and scrape away the resulting shards but that seemed like a bad idea.
For the record I did heat from the rear and light application of acetone. Took a bit but I was able to pry it up although I did break the first couple. Doesn’t matter really but it can make it harder to prep the space for the new one.
Also fun times: on some models if the touch bar glitches out it shorts the motherboard and causes random reboots
Yeah ~2014-2015 I think is when they started really soldering everything together and adding adhesive or their new special screws to everything.
Edit: fat fingered wrong year
Honestly my M2 MacBook Pro feels like it’s built to last. I paid a lot, but I feel like I’ve gotten great value out of it and genuinely enjoy using it. And it’s still going strong.
But we have to talk about Apple’s hostility towards developers. It’s like they want to make devs miserable. That’s the part that’s unforgivable imo.
Honestly my M2 MacBook Pro feels like it’s built to last. I paid a lot, but I feel like I’ve gotten great value out of it and genuinely enjoy using it. And it’s still going strong.
yeah until you want to upgrade or repair something, then it’s fuck you buy another one. I get the apple premium, what I don’t get is the scorn they show for people who have purchased their overpriced hardware when they want to upgrade it. that’s just insulting - you gotta buy it with everything maxed out on APPLE ram, ssds etc.,
Apple making a proprietary pinout for NVME is what will keep me from ever giving them money.
https://assistenciaapplebrasilia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Apple-Propietary-SSD.png
It’s not like Apple uses a different controller, or that they invented a different communication standard. They just put the same communication pins from the same controller on a different physical connector, and charge you 10x for the replacement part. It’s why boards like this can work at all:
https://bartechtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/nvme2016macbookPRO-1-678x381.jpg
If Apple wasn’t using standard NVMe controller communication protocols and controllers, these adapter boards wouldn’t work at all.
yup. disgusting.
I architected and built a cloud based apple build system for a megacorp, what an anti consumer POS company. I hate apple with a passion.
Do you prefer windows for servers then?
Linux, not sure why that’s relevant though. At least even Windows can be made elastic and it isn’t expensive for the sake of being expensive because Apple. So yeah, I guess I’d prefer to run Windows servers than ever run Mac for anything.
This was kind of justified for the RAM.
Packaging LPDDR smartphone-style like Apple does makes the traces much shorter, which lets the RAM be faster and lower power. DDR5-5600 DIMMs in “regular” laptops are literally electrically maxed out, and power hogs because they run at crazy voltages for the speed. I would think that much voltage would degrade the CPU too.
Fortunately LPCAMMS solve this!
And Apple is totally going to use them since they have no technical excuse anymore… right?
RIGHT!?
There’s also CUDIMM which one manufacturer is tauting that they’ll be releasing a 10000 MT/s soon after having dropped a 9000 model a couple months ago
I’ve owned computers since the 286 was a big deal.
I’ve NEVER had an SSD ”die”
Still better than Windows, though.
The only thing that makes Apple marginally better is that the company spying on you tries to pretend like they’re not in it for your sweet data.
They might not be selling it right now, but only because they keep making money hand over fist from the non-repairable proprietary bullshit they produce. Once that faucet starts to slow down, you better believe they’ll be the next Google.
They’re both about the same in terms of privacy so that’s quite an irrelevant thing to bring up. Windows sucks infinitely more from an usability perspective, though.
Edit: Oh, one more thing, you don’t have to do some bs hacks to use macOS without an Apple account.
They’re both about the same in terms of privacy so that’s quite an irrelevant thing to bring up. Windows sucks infinitely more from an usability perspective, though.
As someone who has used Linux as their primary desktop OS for about 7 years now, you don’t have to tell me that Windows sucks.
Edit: Oh, one more thing, you don’t have to do some bs hacks to use macOS without an Apple account.
I don’t use any accounts for my OS at all.
you don’t have to tell me that Windows sucks.
Then I don’t see why you have a problem with me saying macOS is better than Windows.
I don’t use any accounts for my OS at all.
You mean Linux? I don’t either but that’s irrelevant, isn’t it?
Seriously? This old-ass fight is still alive? Grow he fuck up, dudes.
I don’t get it either but think it’s a meme that people grabbed on to. We’re one step away from this appearing on Stephen Colbert. Sort of like talking about Taco Bell affecting people poorly.
