• SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Is it okay to support Ukraine shooting Russians?

      Violence is inherent in our systems. Violence is inherent in politics. States are literally founded and upheld through violence (the military and the police). Believing anything else is just closing your eyes to the violence that happens every single day, and making you powerless against injustice.

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        I’m not denying that. I’m pointing out that we choose when it’s okay to glorify violence. Denying that this glorifies violence denies that we choose when it’s legitimate. It covers that choice up with a screen that says this is violence and that’s not violence.

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          because you like it

          we choose when it’s legitimate

          I might be inferring the wrong thing here, but do you believe that human rights exist?

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            Yes, it’s not an incompatible theory. The Harm principle for example is all about balancing one person’s rights with another. Or put another way, choosing when violence is legitimate.

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      No because it was warranted and deserved. Take a look around, this is not an edgy opinion. The majority of Americans feel the way I do, why is that?

      I am one of the most non-violent people. I’ve never struck a person in 35 years of life.
      The only time violence is warranted is when it is a response to violence. Social murder warrants actual murder. Tens of thousands dead vs one CEO dead. You are crying about the wrong death

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        You’re confusing 60 percent support for healthcare reform with 60 percent support for murder. Off the internet this is a highly contentious act.

        You cannot be non-violent and pro-murder. That’s incompatible.

        I haven’t once said the murder was a bad thing. You’ve just been assuming that because I’m out here challenging your ideas about yourself. You need a better internal guide than, that felt good unless you’re really lying to yourself and you’re hoping for mob violence. You need a strict guide as to when it’s permissible. The first step to doing that is to admit that you are glorifying a violent act.

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          Lethal injections are non-violent murder…

          I wish Luigi had another tactic to use, but we know the legal system will not serve the individual over the half-trillion dollar company.

          The system has made violence the only option. I don’t glorify the violence itself, I glorify ending the life of a man who led a company whose denials kill 40 people per day. If anything Luigi acted in self defense, and in defense of the American people.

          HERO