I discussing the topic with one of my most knowledgeable friends and would like to see some other outlook.

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    5 months ago

    Is this a joke?

    Anybody who does not have to work is not working class. That’s how it works.

    Chris Pratt wouldn’t suddenly be “working class” if he quit acting and became a plumber.

    He’d be a hobbyist plumber. Perhaps a professional plumber. But he iwoukd not suddenly become working class.

    Guy in my city got bonkers rich off of software in his 20s, fucked off to Thailand to idk appease his cultural fetishes, came home with a wife, and now they run a restaurant. He’s in his 50s.

    They do not need that restaurant. They never did.

    Dude works hard. And if I were to ask him if he were working class, he’d laugh, say absolutely not, and buy me a beer.

    Is he a restaurant owner? yes. Businessman? Yes. Entrepreneur? Yes. Chef? No, but his wife, yes. Restaurant manager? Yes. Otherwise retired? Yes.

    Working class??? No.

    If Christian Bale donated all of his assets and money, got arrested and out in jail, and then slummed around auto body shops to legitimately get by, would he be working class? Yes.

    If it was all for a role, and he secretly had $3m tucked away in case it didn’t pan out, is he still working class? NO.

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    The fuck??? She makes something like 500 million dollars PER CONCERT, and has a tour of like 8 months straight. She doesn’t roadie her own equipment. She doesn’t drive the bus. I assume she’s not even there for sound check hours before the event. She’s given a microphone, told “go sing for 3 hours” and then she’s back onto a tour bus that’s more lavish than most peoples homes. Meanwhile, 30-100 guys do backbreaking labor of assembling, and disassembling the sets, driving through the night in trucks, getting to the next cities venue at like 6am, unloading the truck, and assembling the set in the next city. All while she’s probably in her $2500 a night hotel room sleeping on a fluffy bed.

    What part of that sounds working class?

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    …no? Fuck no? I don’t know what kinda debate is going on about how to define “working class”, but if you have that kind of fame and that kind of money, you should be disqualified outright.

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    5 months ago

    Come on Lemmy, look at the name of the Community and stop downvoting honest questions, FFS. I don’t know about or care about TSwift and her billions, but there’s nothing wrong with the question that the OP posted.

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    Eh, it kinda depends.

    Is she running a company or other organisation that derives income from the labor of others? If so, it doesn’t really matter what the income level is, she ain’t working class in the sense of owner and labor classes.

    And it has been a loooong time since her income from just her own work was at a level where she fit the usual ranges of “working class” in terms of pure money flow.

    But, she does still at least partially derive income from her own labor (singing, dancing, etc), so you could say she fits by that standard.

    However, there’s people that would say any entertainer can’t be working class because it isn’t labor, but they’d say the same about someone working in an office, even if the office worker made less than them.

    That’s the thing with terms that have multiple usages, it’s harder to pin down a single answer.