No, “time outs” aren’t the problem.

From what I’ve seen and experienced, Western liberal educators spent a ton of time focusing on the success of women and girls - which was necessary, I’m not trying to vilify women’s equality here - but unfortunately, the pendulum swung from “girls don’t need an education because they’ll just be homemakers, focus on boys” to “ignore boys, because girls need to catch up” and has been stuck there for a while.

We can’t fix a problem that we refuse to acknowledge even exists, and we need to start admitting that we really have been pushing boys and men to the side for years now - Yes, even the white boys whom we also assumed were so “privileged” - and that we’re going to have to make some steps to amend that by reaching out to boys and treating them in ways they will respond positively to, if we want to resolve this issue.

The alternative is letting men like Andrew Tate take the wheel and mentor these boys as he sees fit, which is obviously a terrible idea.

I disagree. Maybe if they received validation from their families and community, they wouldn’t need validation from grifters? I think it says quite a bit about society when people feel the need to purchase the same kind of validation that they used to receive for free from their own communities in ages past.

Nobody likes being told they’re worthless, they’re a loser, they’re an incel, or a “stupid bro”, or that all of their struggles aren’t valid. If everyone around them is telling them those things - Including you - Then validation becomes a rare and valuable commodity… A commodity that someone like Tate can make a lot of money selling to people.

There’s so many other, manlier, kinder folks out there who can provide that same validation.

And yet, those “other, manlier, kinder folks” are not out there doing that, are they? Instead, many of them are calling these people losers and incels and lost causes beyond all redemption, just like you are right now.

Why should they listen to those “other, manlier, kinder folks” when they aren’t acting very kind to them?

^ This reply shows me you don’t understand what men like Andrew Tate are selling. He’s selling validation to these boys and men, and you’re providing a perfect marketplace for that product to sell like hot cakes.

When you reply like that to these people, the mental picture of grown men having hissy fits and “mashing downvote buttons with tears in their eyes” might feel good in the moment, but those men and boys aren’t actually reacting like that. Instead, the message they get is they were right the whole time, that people like you really do just hate men and masculinity, and that people like Andrew Tate are the ones “on their side”.

I get that it feels good to trigger people you don’t like, but all you’re doing is making Andrew Tate’s job easier. Don’t you think he’s already making enough money as it is?

So what happens when they grow up and start beating you senseless because they learned that violence is a quick and easy way to get people to do what you want them to do, rather than something to be used as a last resort?

I’ll engage with people when I feel it might be productive. Nobody likes talking to a brick wall.

1. Tate belongs in a jail cell. Period. He is human garbage who makes the world a worse place to live in.

2. I believe feminism is important nowadays, especially during the Trump years. The government is literally targeting women’s rights. That is unacceptable.

I might disagree with feminists from time to time, but I realize that overall, their hearts are in the right place. I can certainly not say the same about Tate and his ilk.

You are the one arguing in bad faith by straw-manning me. You entered this thread with a whataboutism. And you have been up and down this thread accusing anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of “Oppression Olympics” or that they don’t believe men’s issues exist.

^ Translation from Snippy to English: “I’m not here to actually engage in healthy debate: Rather, I’m here to pick fights and “win one for my team”. Also, I hereby volunteer to be on TheFudd’s block list, because I am incapable of having a civil discussion.”

Not cool. Do better.

I’m not here in good faith?

No. You aren’t. And your snippy little attitude problem, along with you misconstruing everything I say, is proof of that.

I will take your angry little diatribe as you conceding the argument, and volunteering to be on my block list.

Not cool. Do better.

“Liar”?

How about instead of having an attitude problem with me, we both agree that neither men nor women should be abused and both genders have unique issues that, in a healthy society, would be acknowledged and addressed?

Or are you just here to argue with someone?

you’re choosing to use that to invalidate other people who go through that? Wow.

Wrong - And knock off the pearl-clutching. I’m literally the one who just said that the whole “Oppression Olympics” mentality is toxic and needs to go.

Don’t misconstrue my message. This is not a zero-sum game. We can address the issues of both genders at once, and there’s nothing “all lives matter-ish” about saying that.

I’m starting to get the idea that you aren’t here to speak in good faith. If you’re just here because you want to win an internet argument for “your side”, go elsewhere for that.

Oh? Because I’ve experienced domestic violence at the hands of a woman.

Are you telling me that my life does not matter?

I refuse to belittle or diminish anyone’s suffering who’s been through domestic violence. Doesn’t matter if they are a man or a woman, I hope that your neighbor finds away to get out of their abusive situation.

So, no answer then?

Oh, you got your answer. You just didn’t like the answer - Probably because the answer acknowledged that men’s problems actually exist in this regard, and you don’t like that either.

You know what I didn’t like? My ex beating the shit out of me, and getting away with it every single time because just because she’s a woman.

What? Saying one thing is on a different level is not the same as saying the other doesn’t exist.

Well, a big part of men’s problem here is plenty of people do say that in one way or another - That men’s problems in this regard “don’t exist”.

I’ve experienced domestic violence before. She preferred to knock the shit out of me when I was sleeping. I don’t care how strong you think you are, you aren’t able to protect yourself when you are asleep.

I have flat-out had people tell me that “men cannot be abused by women, just like how a woman can’t r-pe a man” when I’ve told people about the situation.

How else am I to interpret that, other than “your problems don’t exist”?

Yes, they are both dicks.

Stop. Right there. That’s all you need to say.

Cut off that other crap about men “running the most powerful government in the world”. I guarantee the average man does not “run the world”. I sure as hell don’t. Do you? No? Then stop.

No more saying “My side has it worse, so your side doesn’t deserve to have your problems addressed”, neither gender should have their very real problems ignored.

There are no winners in the “Oppression Olympics”, only losers. The first step towards not being a loser is to stop thinking like a loser.

Not-so-fun fact: If you call the domestic abuse hotline as a male who’s experiencing violence at the hands of a woman, they will just hang up on you.

Source: I was in a physically abusive relationship and tried to call the domestic abuse hotline for advice, and they hung up on me.

LMAO let’s not pretend like places such as /FemaleDatingStrategy don’t exist. Misogynists and misandrists are two sides of the same coin. If I have no problem saying that misogynists like Andrew Tate are shitheads, then you can admit that man-hating misandrists are also shitheads.

And don’t you start telling me “Oh, but woman-hating misogynists are worse” because then the conversation turns in to the “Oppression Olympics” and all people do is focus on arguing about who has it worse instead of focusing on actually fixing anybody’s problems. Both misogynists and misandrists are bad, and both should be condemned.

/thanksimcured

GamerGate-tier slop. “tumblristas” or whatever have nowhere near the level of influence, power or damage to society as the manosphere.

By that logic, if someone punches you with brass knuckles then you have no right to complain because brass knuckles have nowhere near the level of power or damage-dealing ability to a person as a gun does.