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credo@lemmy.world to News@lemmy.world · 6 months ago

Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia With Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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Biden Allows Ukraine to Strike Russia With Long-Range U.S. Missiles

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  • credo@lemmy.worldOP
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    I believe NYT makes you login, even on a gift link. Here is a TLDR:

    President Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to strike Russian and North Korean forces in Russia, a significant shift in U.S. policy. This decision comes in response to Russia’s introduction of North Korean troops into the conflict and their anticipated assault on Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region.

    The move reflects growing concerns over Ukraine’s ability to withstand simultaneous assaults while defending territory. The authorization aims to bolster Ukraine’s defense, target high-value military assets, and deter North Korean involvement. However, it has sparked debate among U.S. officials over escalation risks, as Russia might retaliate against the U.S. or its allies.

    President-elect Donald Trump, who has vowed to reduce U.S. support for Ukraine, is set to take office in two months, adding urgency to the decision. The Ukrainian strategy may include using captured Russian territory in Kursk as leverage in potential future negotiations. Meanwhile, the risk of Russian countermeasures remains a central concern for Biden’s administration and its allies.

    My take: I’ve been waiting on this since the US election. It’s sound strategy of we believe Putin won’t want to escalate with NATO before Trump takes office.

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    Better late than never, I guess.

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    While they won’t be able to reach Moscow with these, even from within Kursk, I am willing to bet the authorization was withheld on intelligence grounds. A lot of things in the war make sense if you look at it from the perspective that arms support can’t be guaranteed.

    Instead of letting Ukraine just burn through weapons, the US and allies have waited until they have the full operational capability to deploy the weapons with extreme effectiveness. They’ve had ATACMS for a while, so I suspect they held off deep strikes until the most effective targets had been identified and the likelihood of effective strike was near certain.

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      That’s giving everyone involved a lot of credit. To be honest, I sort of doubt these decisions were quite that rational.

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        Blindly stumbling along then trying to pretend it was 4D chess all along sounds much more like us

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    Kremlin. Go for Kremlin.

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    Good move by Biden.

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    Too late.

    Americans chose to abandon Ukraine when they elected Donald Trump and his Republican enablers.

    Russia will win, there will be one less democratic nation on the planet, Russia will expand their borders, and Europe/NATO will be threatened.

    Thanks conservatives, 3rd party voters, single issue voters, and non-voters. You really thought this one through.

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      Americans didn’t. Only 1/3 of eligible voters voted for the rapist conman.

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        Those over 18 who don’t vote, don’t count.

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      What’s the issue you have with a non democratic country?

      I genuinely think most people (I used to just think most Americans) don’t understand the alternatives.

      Democracy has been proven not to work, and those involved in it will tell you that they agree, but there’s no better option. -

      Which if you think about it, isn’t really an answer.

      It’s like saying: Democracy doesn’t work, mathematically or otherwise. Try something that doesn’t breed corruption. They all do, democracy is just the best corruption.

      Which is bullshit. Mixing it up is the best way to stop the corruption.

      We need a lot of anarchy in the world right now, otherwise we’re just the fertilizer for power families. Our grandkids are fucked in general, except for the few that get a break.

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        Ah yes, one more country being puppeted by Russia, a country infamous for it’s corruption, will decrease corruption. /s

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        This comment is a great example of why electing a party that runs on deconstructing the public education system is an awful idea.

        We’re gonna start seeing ignorant comments like this way more often going forward.

        Buckle up.

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          When you say “ignorant comments like this” after you referring to yours?

          Genuine question.

          Democracy doesn’t work. The smaller countries notice it moreso. But the size of the US running a two part t system is insane, and not a true democracy. I wasn’t attacking anything but the platform that they use.

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            Democracy doesn’t work.

            Do you grasp that this is an opinion? Because you keep stating it like it’s fact.

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              It is fact. Look up arrows impossibility theorem.

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                If you read into it at all, you didn’t read far enough.

                As shown above, the proof of Arrow’s theorem relies crucially on the assumption of ranked voting.

                The language of Arrow’s theorem can be misunderstood. It does not mean that democracy is doomed to failure and that only dictators are sound political institutions. Arrow’s theorem states that there is no procedure to decide among three or more candidates that satisfies the above properties. If the axioms are an ideal that cannot be met, then other, less stringent, criteria should be used to compare and evaluate election procedures. Or, as may be the case, the selection of an election procedure is a decision about which of the above axioms is less important to the application at hand.

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                  I did read into it. It doesn’t mean democracy is doomed to failure, but it proves that it doesn’t work. Mathematically or otherwise.

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    They only have 300 km range. They are very nice but still. Pretty sure Ukraine has struck further inland with drones.

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    Kill those Russians. Target the North Korean troops.

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      Burn Moscow to the ground

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      I think north Korea entering the fight likely has a lot to do with it.

      Plus now trump will have to actively take this permission away as opposed to not giving it.

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