Family of four, two close friends and nanny also died in crash as pilot identified as 55-year-old Jeff Gregory
Nathalia Filgueiras, 20, was co-pilot of the private Learjet 60 en route from Austin-Bergstrom international airport in Texas to North Eleuthera airport in the Bahamas on Sunday when it suddenly plummeted out of the sky, killing all onboard, her mother told the New York Times.
Later on Monday, the family of the passengers who died posted a statement on Facebook identifying the victims and paying tribute to them.
It named them as Adam Robinson, 45, a Texas-based technology entrepreneur; his wife Helen Sharp, 40; and their children, Emma, four, and Charlie, two. The statement said close family friends Rachael Reed and Charmi Fehr were also killed, along with Anita Maria Cetina, the children’s nanny.
The pilot in charge of the Learjet was identified by TMZ and other media outlets on Monday as Jeff Gregory, 55, an experienced aviator from Pennsylvania.
20 year-old co-pilot…Is that unusual for a private jet crew?
Brace girl. Kept working the problem till the end.
Brace girl.
Great teeth
That’s five victims too many. Thank God no one on the ground was hurt.
it seems that she was the one understanding the ATC advice properly and trying to get the pilot to navigate around the dangerous weather
Private/business jets should be outlawed, on top of the ecological cost most crashes are small planes like this. And people will say “oh but they’re safer than cars”, but nobody needs a fucking jet to get places. The consequences of it failing are just too high.
It almost hit mar a lago. I say we keep allowing them until we get a bullseye.
Hopefully its Elmos jet that goes down next!
I remember sometime back that some rich bloke was talking about cutting cost for maintenance in airliners. Part of me wants to say that somebody got the message and started cutting corners for private jets first.
You’re a bit confused on the stats
The planes that have the most accidents are general aviation (GA) planes, not chartered private jets like this
GA is the actual small planes. 2-4 seaters usually. It’s also the least experiences pilots, usually pilots building hours to be in the airlines or charters
Charters follow a lot, but not all, of the same safety regulations as commercial airlines. They do still have more accidents, for a variety of reasons
Charter companies play an important role in the pilot pipeline. Many commercial pilots work at charters while they build hours to get their ATP to be able to work at a commercial airline
If they couldn’t work at a charter, they would have to instead fly in circles to build hours. A suboptmial outcome
The consequences of it failing are just too high.
Mile per mile, cars are more deadly. If the concern is safety, you’d have to start there
Cars are only deadly because any idiot and his dog can get a licence. If car drivers had to go through as much training and rigorous standards as pilots, cars would be safer, since they can’t fall out of the sky.
So apparently the rates of crashes in general aviation are set off by drunk pilots in Alaska specifically. If you exclude alcohol-related crashes in Alaska, general aviation starts to look a lot safer.
Planes have a max gross takeoff weight that much be followed at all times, unless you’re in Alaska
Alaskan pilots kept crashing because they skipped fuel to fit in another passenger so often the FAA said it was better for them to fly overweight than with absolute minimum fuel
There are a handful of regulations with an “except in Alaska” carveout
Interesting, definitely impacts the statistics
Can we exclude drunk drivers from California (since it’s the biggest offender) and call cars safer then? We can’t remove inconvenient data and people don’t just drink and fly in one state.
I mean, for me personally it made me feel a lot safer getting my pilot’s license because I don’t drink alcohol, so there’s very little chance I’ll ever fly drunk.
Alaskan aviation is very different from the rest of the country
They literally are not even flying with the same rules and regulations
It’s still far safer than driving, but Alaskan aviation is not as safe as the rest of the country, and should be separated out due to the different rules
Aircrafts Georg is an outlier adn should not have been counted.
As opposed to cars, which have famously few consequences when things go wrong.
As much as I’d love to see them made illegal, I don’t remember the last time I saw an SUV or oversized pickup truck make a 20 foot crater.
True and fair. But, on the flip side, I don’t remember the last time I saw a private jet plow through a crowd of protestors. So, like, there are trade-offs I guess.
I think I’m getting th gist of the conversation, transportation can be dangeous. Did I sum that up well?
Tesla: hold my beer
Maybe they should be outlawed for environmental reasons, but private jets operated by professional service providers as in this case aren’t the “small planes” with the high crash rates. It’s the ones with piston engines and inexperienced owner-pilots that crash a lot.
Even those are roughly comparable to cars in terms of injury and death rates for a comparable trip. Driving is one of the most dangerous things the average person does, so that’s not exactly good, but it seems to be within most peoples’ risk tolerance.
Victim? It was an accident…that’s a hell of a word to use.
What do you think “victim” means?
Victims of an accident??
Why is she always called the co-pilot? It sounds like she made all the decisions/communications at the end.
Where’s the pilot if she’s such a child?
Because cockpits have ranks, there is generally a captain and a first officer, but even in a dual captain cockpit, there is ALWAYS a pilot in command (colloquialy pilot, always a CPT) and a pilot (colloquial co-pilot, usually an FO). She was not the pilot in command on this flight, and therefore, in colloquial terminology the co pilot.
These roles are also completely independent from the duties of “pilot flying” (at the controls) and “pilot monitoring” (in charge of communication and instrument monitoring).
It’s exactly what the co-pilot does. Communicating with the ATC, reading instruments and any relevant checklist to the pilot. During an emergency like this, the pilot’s primary job is keep both hands on the stick and do everything in their power to get the plane under control and either land safely or return to a safe altitude until they can land. The co-pilot is the one who takes a step back from controls and gets all relevant information to the pilot and ATC in the tower.
If you’ve ever watched the movie Sully, it’s a decent example where the senior/veteran pilot is attempting what he can with the controls that are responding while the co-pilot goes through the emergency checklist and attempts to restart the engines.
Generally co-pilot refers to the pilot not in command, as opposed to the pilot in command (pic), the roles of pilot flying and pilot monitoring usually change from flight to flight even if the same flight crew sticks together, and occasionally even during a single flight (especially during emergencies, since almost all airlines require the PIC to become the pilot flying, if not already, during an emergency).
Pilot in command never changes during a flight, so co-pilot generally refers to that role split, as opposed to whatever the duties of monitoring and flying happen to be at a given time.
Pilot in command never changes during a flight
What if they die or parachute out. What if the plane splits in two with the PIC in one half. Can the other half nominate a new PIC.
It does change. I’ve done it plenty of times. Just not normal to change roles en route as a working professional
There’s some subtlety about Sully’s case here. He was captain and pilot monitoring during the takeoff while the first officer was pilot flying.
After the engines failed, Sully used his authority as captain to take over flying.
I think that in these types of small planes, the more experienced pilot does the actual flying and the less experienced one is monitoring everything, including all the communications. So the main pilot was busy trying to figure out if there was any way to get out of the trouble they were in.
