Four years after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Russian economy is showing clear signs of structural exhaustion. The contours of a genuine economic endgame are coming into view for Russia. This is the finding of a new Kiel Report published by the Kiel Institute for the World Economy and the Stockholm Institute of Transition Economics.
  • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Ursula von der Leyen, 2022

    Are you somehow implying that she was wrong?

    What she said would happen is exactly what happened.

      • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
        61·
        4 months ago

        What is the point of the sanctions?

        Exactly what Von der Leyen said?

        Weaken Russia’s economy.

        That means less money for foreign supplies, and machinery, means fewer missiles, fewer shells, fewer tanks.

        The war hasn’t ended, has it?

        No, but maybe ask Ukrainians if they’d rather there be no sanctions and more missiles in their cities.

        But you know all that, you’re just arguing in bad faith.

          • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
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            4 months ago

            And why would they want to weaken the economy? Come on you can do better than that. Use your other brain cell.

            it’s literally in my comment above, read.

            And who said they shouldn’t do sanctions? Please quote me on that.

            Why the fuck should I quote you on that? I never said you said that.

            What you did do is imply that it didn’t impact Russia’s war making capabilities, and I told you that you can go ask Ukrainians about that.

            And you have the nerve to tell me I’m the one arguing in bad faith? F off

            yes you are.

            “Just asking questions” that you know the answers to. You fuck off

              • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
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                4 months ago

                So you think that is supposed to be the end goal? Maybe you can think juuust 1 step further.

                Again “just asking questions”. If you want to make a point. Fucking make it. Fuck off with this “just asking questions” bullshit.

                And yes, weakening Russia’s war making capabilities is the fucking end goal.

                Europe was perfectly happy with Russia having a strong economy to buy European goods and sell them cheap gas. There is no other end goal.

                I said they’re ramping up ballistic missile attacks, which they are. I said nothing about the front, drone attacks or whatever. The point was that they still have plenty of production capabilities to ramp these up despite all these sanctions and years of costly war.

                Yeah, completely ignoring the fact that they’d be able to produce much more without the sanctions. Also why are cruise missile attacks dropping? Maybe because they can’t keep up production because of sanctions? funny that.

                And supposedly having hit their limit

                According to whom?

                The only quote you made was Von der Leyen, who didn’t fucking say that, did she?

                which is what we’ve been hearing for years now

                No we haven’t.

                So yeah, I don’t believe the boy who cried wolf this time.

                If you hear “wolf” when people say something else, that’s on you.

                When the f did I say I was “just asking questions No, I made a statement.

                A comment with nothing but questions you know the answer to but imply the answer is something else. That is exactly the definition of “just asking questions”. And you do it in other places as well.

                What is the point of the sanctions?

                The war hasn’t ended, has it?

                Not a statement, is it?

                  • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
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                    4 months ago

                    Here are a whole bunch of people claiming exactly that:

                    No they don’t, have you even read those articles?

                    They make claims that are completely factual.

                    Not the comment you initially replied to, is it? Disingenuous #3

                    The original comment I replied to had a quote of Von der Leyen that you implied was making claims it didn’t.

                    You know the end goal is to stop the war. That hasn’t happened.

                    And you keep implying that sanctions aren’t having the effect of bringing that end sooner, which they do.

                    So the message that they have hit their war economy limits is false

                    You cannot possibly know if they’ve hit their limits because you can’t see the future. So you cannot say that this message is false.

                    You keep saying that people have made that claim before, and it was false then, so it must be false now. But as your own sources show, nobody made this claim before.