• Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    we can’t know the alternative timeline where the democrats would have won; but if their past behaviour is any indication they would have acted over confident and let the republicans walk all over them as before

    In what universe does this make any sense. The republicans wouldn’t have the political power to do that.

    what we can do is look at the present and easily see that the fascist grab of power is basically complete and there is zero chance they will give up power

    And until that happens, there is no point in try to get people not to participate.

    I’m canadian but your are making my point, Americans are too gaslit, selfish and uninformed to even vote rationaly

    And you only help that with your encouragement of voter apathy.

    do you think the magas would be this enboldened if any republican had been accountable?

    I’m not arguing against that, Im pointing out that its a constant fight, not one battle.

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      5 days ago

      In what universe does this make any sense. The republicans wouldn’t have the political power to do that.

      They had no legal power to block Obama’s SCOTUS nomination, yet they did. They had no legal power nor justification to claim trump’s reelection had been stolen, yet they forced an insurrection. trump currently does not have any legal power to do half the stuff he is gleefully doing.

      You seem to think MAGAs act within the boundaries of the law… must be nice to be so innocent

      And until that happens, there is no point in try to get people not to participate.

      First of, I have ever said people should not vote. I am simply stating the fact that it will not be enough, not anymore.

      Second, you keep the “until that happens” as if that make any sense… You are the one moving the goal post here to justify inaction. You do not want to sacrifice anything to get your country out of the hole you allow it to get… and news flash, once the power grab is complete (you are 98% there) there will be no option left… every minute you allow to pass doing fuck all, is a minute you are closer to having NO OPTIONS LEFT

      And you only help that with your encouragement of voter apathy.

      Read above… and try to make an effort this time

      I’m not arguing against that, Im pointing out that its a constant fight, not one battle.

      Yet your “strategy” here is to do nothing an wait 19 months to cast a ballot… where did I say it was one battle?

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        5 days ago

        Yup.

        You seem to think MAGAs act within the boundaries of the law… must be nice to be so innocent

        In no universe could anything I said be reasonably summarized as this. Its actually pretty ridiculous this is the conclusion you came to.

        First of, I have ever said people should not vote.

        Because implications don’t exist right?

        I am simply stating the fact that it will not be enough, not anymore.

        Which just encourages people not to vote if you’re saying it doesnt help.

        Second, you keep the “until that happens” as if that make any sense… You are the one moving the goal post here to justify inaction.

        Im sorry bud, what actions are there exactly that you’re so willing to step up to take?

        As far as I understand it, any action that I’m advocating for is apparently justifying inaction, but actions further than that would mean you couldn’t be talking to me right now.

        You do not want to sacrifice anything to get your country out of the hole you allow it to get… and news flash, once the power grab is complete (you are 98% there) there will be no option left… every minute you allow to pass doing fuck all, is a minute you are closer to having NO OPTIONS LEFT

        Once again, what are you doing buddy?

        Yet your “strategy” here is to do nothing an wait 19 months to cast a ballot… where did I say it was one battle?

        You really like to imply a shit ton from nothing so that you can argue against strawmen dont you.