I’m not going to judge people who try open relationships, but I’ve literally never seen them work. It’s also nothing new. Swingers were a thing decades ago. I’ve seen marriages implode, people end up needing therapy, and the like. I have a friend who is poly and has multiple people in her relationship group. She tried to tell me “how great it is” and then the next day I hear about the latest group drama. I’m like “yeah fuck that noise”.
It’s kind of like communism. I love the idea of communism. Equality for everybody and everybody has an equal say in the means of production. However, it only takes one prick not pulling their weight on purpose to abuse the system and it all comes crumbling down, which is why so many communist countries have a dictator forcing everyone to “be equal”.
The same is true of open relationships. It only takes one possessive or damaged person to blow up the whole group. The weakest link in most things is the fact that some people fucking suck.
It seems you’re correlating “polyamory” (non-monogamous relationships) with “polycules” (relationships with more than two people). Not all polyamory is a polycule and not all polycules are necessarily permanent; nor have their members exclusive with each other.
Sometimes polyamory looks like a marriage where both members have okayed having sex with other people. Sometimes it’s groups of “swinger” marriages where they “swap” members. Sometimes it’s just a person who regularly casually hooks up with others. I’d argue that what people consider monogamous relationships have a bit of wiggle room. Life is complicated; people are complicated.
I think you mean “conflating”, not correlating. I’m not comparing two disparate data points.
Both of the things you described are the same sides of a coin, but with the commitment slider moved around a bit. Much of what I said applies to both.
Polycules, in your description, might be more “successful”, but that’s only because there isn’t any real commitment. If the relationship falls apart, oh well move on. That’s barely a tick on the slider from a fuck buddy and two ticks away from one night stands.
Again, everybody should be allowed to do whatever they want. Freedom in sexuality is important. I just don’t think these relationships are successful in the majority of cases and I prefer a stable relationship with someone I know will be there throughout my whole life. I have no doubt that I’ll die before I ever considered leaving my SO because I’m in it for the long haul.
I’m not going to judge people who try open relationships, but I’ve literally never seen them work. It’s also nothing new. Swingers were a thing decades ago. I’ve seen marriages implode, people end up needing therapy, and the like. I have a friend who is poly and has multiple people in her relationship group. She tried to tell me “how great it is” and then the next day I hear about the latest group drama. I’m like “yeah fuck that noise”.
It’s kind of like communism. I love the idea of communism. Equality for everybody and everybody has an equal say in the means of production. However, it only takes one prick not pulling their weight on purpose to abuse the system and it all comes crumbling down, which is why so many communist countries have a dictator forcing everyone to “be equal”.
The same is true of open relationships. It only takes one possessive or damaged person to blow up the whole group. The weakest link in most things is the fact that some people fucking suck.
It seems you’re correlating “polyamory” (non-monogamous relationships) with “polycules” (relationships with more than two people). Not all polyamory is a polycule and not all polycules are necessarily permanent; nor have their members exclusive with each other.
Sometimes polyamory looks like a marriage where both members have okayed having sex with other people. Sometimes it’s groups of “swinger” marriages where they “swap” members. Sometimes it’s just a person who regularly casually hooks up with others. I’d argue that what people consider monogamous relationships have a bit of wiggle room. Life is complicated; people are complicated.
I think you mean “conflating”, not correlating. I’m not comparing two disparate data points.
Both of the things you described are the same sides of a coin, but with the commitment slider moved around a bit. Much of what I said applies to both.
Polycules, in your description, might be more “successful”, but that’s only because there isn’t any real commitment. If the relationship falls apart, oh well move on. That’s barely a tick on the slider from a fuck buddy and two ticks away from one night stands.
Again, everybody should be allowed to do whatever they want. Freedom in sexuality is important. I just don’t think these relationships are successful in the majority of cases and I prefer a stable relationship with someone I know will be there throughout my whole life. I have no doubt that I’ll die before I ever considered leaving my SO because I’m in it for the long haul.
I mean, I’ve seen a lot of monogamous relationships fail too.
Not denying that. Monogamy between incompatible partners who don’t communicate happens all the time.