• jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
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    11 days ago

    Stat is old, from 2018. Pre-pandemic. Pre-George Floyd.

    "“In the 2018 multigenerational study, respondents were asked to finish this open-ended statement: “People legally carrying concealed guns makes me feel …” Overall, 57 percent of non-gun owners said “less safe,” while another 27 percent said “no impact.” Meanwhile, 28 percent of gun owners specifically said they felt “less safe,” on top another 27 percent who said they felt “no impact.” That meant, the researchers noted, that despite the prominence of concealed carry, a majority of gun owners “still don’t feel safer.””

    I can say, as a concealed carry permit holder, yeah, I feel safer. But then, my city has been under seige and the cops not only do nothing, they actively work with the people beseiging the city:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/disturbing-texts-between-oregon-police-far-right-group-prompts-investigation-n972161

    https://www.opb.org/article/2022/07/14/portland-police-investigation-clears-officer-who-joined-oath-keepers-militia/

    https://theintercept.com/2021/08/23/portland-police-proud-boys-protest/

    As for the new legislation being discussed, the “forced reciprocity”, not necessarily an awful idea.

    For example:

    Oregon and Washington share a border, but a concealed carry permit in one is not valid in the other. There is no reciprocity between Oregon and Washington.

    So it’s on me, as a responsible gun owner, to plan ahead. “Am I going to Vancouver, WA today?” If I happen to be carrying, I need to be mindful that I do not cross the river into Vancouver.

    I COULD contact the Clark County sheriff and get a WA permit, but to be honest, I don’t go to Vancouver often enough to merit that.

    Where it gets squishy is states like Idaho which have no restrictions. “Are you 18? Can you legally own a gun?” that’s pretty much it for concealed carry.

    So under the new federal legislation, if it’s legal for you in your home state, it’s legal for you in ALL states. But home states that don’t require registration are going to cause problems in states that do.

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      And you think people do feel safer now? That pea shooter in your belt gonna save you against fully armed and armored police and/or national guard who are being ordered to abuse citizens?

      The illusion of safety can be pleasant, but dangerous.

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        Not worried about the cops or national guard or even ICE.

        Worried about the Gravy Seals who would shit themselves if they faced armed opposition.

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          Gravy Seals

          I have no idea how prevalent or dangerous these people are and think they are not the biggest threat - why are you afraid of people who shit themselves?

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            In Portland they were a HUGE problem, repeatedly, mostly because a) the cops were doing nothing about them and b) the cops were actively working with them.

            This year has been remarkably calm for some reason.