John Deere brags about sabotaging competitors & customers on hot mic - they’re PROUD of it!

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    Corporations would have us all subscribe to the oxygen supply if they could.

    Take apart all the things. Reverse engineer their shit. Create open alternatives. Fuck all these monsters. John Deere, Apple, Samsung, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, everybody included.

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      Meanwhile, Valve: Here’s how you can rip apart our handheld computer, we don’t recommend it, but it’s yours so who gives a shit?

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        Damn right, I haven’t bought a console since the PS1 but I bought a Steam Deck just because of its hackability. I have plans for it beyond just gaming. Robotics control and FPV streaming is one thing I have in mind.

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        Also Valve: we’ll make some proprietary components that have major failure points, and then not offer replacements for sale (and if we do, at exhorborant prices).

        I’m talking about their VR headsets.

        Don’t get me wrong, I love them as a company. But while they’re pushing new industries, hardware is an after thought.

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          proprietary components

          ridiculously stupid take. There are no open standards and commodity components for new inventions to adopt because the damned tech is new.

          absurd.

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      There’s a CEO in The Corporation (2003 documentary) who literally argues that everything should be monetized. Including air…

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      Corporations would have us all subscribe to the oxygen supply if they could.

      Elon Musk’s X Mars Colony, coming in 2040.

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    Sounds like another industry in dire need of competition. Makes sense that they’re fighting tooth and nail to keep a deathgrip on what they’ve still got (for now).

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      There’s plenty of competition; the problem isn’t the proprietary firmware, it’s the expensive parts. You can still fix 99% of a machine yourself, you might have to get a tech out to put a CANbus ID into the computer so a new part that you put on works.

      But it still comes down to the fact that the competition don’t make as good/productive of a machine, and parts availability, even if they are expensive, is key. I’ve paid $1000 for a part I could make myself on a mill, but it would take me a day and I’d lose $100,000 of lost production on that machine because rain is coming.

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        That’s fair, there’s definitely more to it than just having the capability when you’re also dealing with weather and other factors that impact your deadlines. I’m not a fan of equipment manufacturers who exploit their stranglehold on their customers even though I see why it happens.

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        I don’t think anyone’s suggesting that right-to-repair replaces repair options from the OEM, but it’s a critical option to have in a functional product support ecosystem and Deer’s trying to cut it out entirely.

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          This is probably the first time I’ve made a comment like this on a thread about Deere that hasn’t been downvoted into the basement. People don’t want to hear about what the ground truth of this situation is, they want to hate a company that they haven’t ever actually dealt with.

          Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see Deere stop some of their practices, particularly using opensource software like Linux to power their devices and then selling them at steep prices to farmers that sometimes barely have enough money to fix a tire on one of these machines. But the “unrepairability” of Deere equipement is massively misunderstood by most of these armchair warriors, including Rossman.

          On the plus side, the uproar has given us the ability to go buy a diagnostic computer from Deere now for the low, low prices of $26,000. It takes a lot of $100 tech visits to make that pay.

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    Fuck John Deere and their anti-self repair bs.

    The individuals using these machines don’t have time to wait for some tech to find the time to get to BFE, Kansas.

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      Yeah I don’t know how anyone could compel themselves to buy one. Do they really have that much of a monopoly on the industry? Is their tech that much further advanced? I genuinely don’t know.

      What is the best, more ethical alternative? Growing up my dad had New Holland and we liked them. Eventually I’ll be going more rural and choosing a route to take and it sure as shit won’t be John Deere.

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        One? Probably not. A fleet of 5-20 to tend a thousand or more acres, I can see that. They’ve basically got the things able to run on autopilot for many processes

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    this is what you get when you gut regulatory powers in your government, you morons who vote Republican… pull your heads out of your lazy, fat asses…

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        This is inherently a political issue, because partisan policies enable this sort of abusive behavior from John Deere in the first place.

        If you can’t see that, then you don’t understand the full breadth of the situation being discussed, and probably should avoid commenting on it. There’s no point in popping into a conversation to say “I don’t understand anything that’s going on, but here’s what I think about it anyway”, because nobody cares for uneducated opinions. Unless you’re just fishing for an internet argument, in which case I recommend maybe just sticking to a Roblox forum or something else that’s more to your speed.

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            so you don’t understand the direct causal relationship between Republican politics, and deregulation… that’s what you’re telling everyone here… that your head is too buried to see that…

            you need to understand that when you speak, it mostly just sounds like farts, son… you need to try to speak more clearly…

            this is why no one needs to take your concerns seriously…

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      The result of vote is only as good at the voting system used and the people voting. A more representative voting system leads to more public representation in government, which would likely improve the lives of the voters who will vote next time.

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          I’m not sure about that. A party that ‘wins’ under first-past-the-post/winner-take-all is unlikly to change the voting system such that they would be less likely to get into power next time. I have no idea of the path to changing the voting system. I hope intoducing people to other voting systems helps.

  • Dr. Jordan B. Peterson@lemmy.world
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    In the ever-evolving tapestry of socio-economic structures, where the dance of individualism meets the collective force of organized entities, corporations have emerged as titan-like presences, wielding significant influence and power. The philosophical foundations of free-market capitalism, deeply rooted in the ideas of thinkers like Adam Smith and further cultivated by the likes of Friedrich Hayek, argue for the intrinsic virtues of an unbridled market, where entities, be they individuals or corporations, pursue their objectives with minimal constraints.

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