“This was not reckless driving. This was murder,” the judge said before she read out Mackenzie Shirilla’s verdict Monday afternoon.
The reason why they say this was murder:
Two weeks before the crash, she allegedly threatened to crash her vehicle when she was driving with Russo because she was upset over a disagreement they had. Russo called his mother and asked to be picked up, and a friend ended up retrieving him. In a phone call with Russo, the friend allegedly overheard Shirilla say, “I will crash this car right now,” prosecutors said in court documents.
This isn’t a drunk driver, or a thrillseeker, this is someone with murderous intent.
Fucking hell that is horrible. And of course she’s the only one to survive. 100mph into a brick building has probably left her pretty physically fucked up and in constant pain. Hope she enjoys feeling that way in prison for the rest of her life.
She’ll spend 8 months in prison and appeal for a reduced sentence and get out on “good behavior” before she’s even served a quarter of her term. Don’t you know how the American legal system works?
Murder is a felony, so I believe you have to serve 80% of a sentence before being able to be eligible for parole
You forgot the white woman modifier, you take a man’s sentence and divide by 4.
Murder with a car is often toned down to, “vehicular manslaughter”. It’s often times charged as a misdemeanor. I agree with you that it should always be a felony because it’s murder, but that’s not how the courts treat it.
Wow the way she’s crying is disgusting, she’s just sorry for herself not for the deaths she caused. No remorse, only regret for getting sentenced
Wow the way she’s crying is disgusting, she’s just sorry for herself not for the deaths she caused. No remorse, only regret for getting sentenced
How do you know that? I don’t know about you but I’ve done things in anger that I felt genuine remorse for later.
Never killed anyone though, I suppose.
Because of her intent and crimes- she had genuine murderous intent as the judgement said. She seemed very cruel and unhinged according to the article and presented evidence and the video showed her crying due to the judgement.
It’s been two years since she murdered those people. She could easily feel true remorse now.
I’m in no way trying to excuse her actions, I just think it’s worth trying to do some level of empathizing for people. Not that what she did was in any way justified, but I can’t imagine trying to live with myself if I got angry enough to murder someone.
It’s all speculation and assumptions anyway ! We can see different things. I feel disgust and see regret and you may see someone possibly showing remorse. We just don’t know for sure either way.
Have a good day fellow fediperson
Have a good day fellow fediperson
You as well!
Crying when the sentence was read doesn’t say anything one way or the other about her feeling or not remorse because that specific moment is about what’s going to happen to her, not about others, so she’s crying for herself.
She almost certainly feels regret (which is entirelly about the consequences for herself), but it’s unclear that she feels remorse (which is about the consequences for others of her actions).
Those look like Rittenhouse tears to me.
It’s been two years since she made that video, regardless of whether it was made before or after the crash.
I’m not trying to say that she is remorseful, only that we cannot say that she isn’t based solely on her actions two years ago.
Looks like a narcissist to me.
Sure seems like she had a lot of issues at 17, that’s for sure. Most 17-year-olds don’t murder their friends and boyfriends.
I find her family’s attitude toward the whole thing troubling. I know my family, if I were in this situation and they had the same evidence, would be telling me to plead guilty and take responsibility. I have a feeling that concept was never big in her upbringing or her family’s.
It’s tragic all the way down.
Again it’s tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it’s tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence.
Again it’s tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it’s tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence.
I don’t want to be argumentative, but there is no false equivalence in my position. I never tried to apply any equivalence. Things can be tragic without being equivalently tragic, and one thing being tragic does not take away the tragedy of something else.
I think one could argue that you’re falling prey to the fallacy of relative privation. “X is worse than Y, so we shouldn’t care about Y.”
Tragedy is not a zero sum game. It is absolutely tragic that those young men were murdered. It is tragic that their families lost their loved ones. It is also tragic that this young woman thought the proper solution to her problems was to attempt murder-suicide. It is tragic that she threw away any promise her own life held along with theirs. It is perhaps not tragic, but certainly sad and troubling, that her family seems to think she did nothing wrong.
Yes, it’s more tragic for the victims, but it her story is still a tragedy.
It is important to note that I am in no way trying to excuse her actions or argue for leniency. She murdered two people in a horrible and reckless action. There are consequences for that action beyond the direct ones.
But empathy is important even for those we may hate.
It’s something that people often forget (because they aren’t like that themselves and have normal human reactions) is that narcisists, sociopaths, psychopaths and people with similar psychological disfunctions that make them act in “cold hearted” ways do feel.
However they feel only for themselves, never for others.
Prosecutor: What gear were you in at the moment of impact?
Defendant: Gucci sweats and Reebok Classics.
There are a lot of people in this post spouting their opinion on an article they very clearly did not read.
The mum of one of the dead put it well - justice was served but nobody won today.
Winning was not the goal anyway? Its not a game
Winning the trial was the goal. She was saying it’s a hollow victory nonetheless.
How did she survive unscathed, while her 2 passengers both died?
Edit: I found another article, she was not unscathed: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12417047/Mackenzie-Shirilla-TikTok-doing-drugs-not-dying-jailed-murdering-boyfriend-friend-drugged-100mph-crash.html
This is an unbelievable tragedy, for all of them. She just turned 18, I wonder what her sentence will be like. I assume that in the US - unlike the situation over here in Europe - there is no special “juvenile justice” for young adults, so she might face multiple lifetimes in prison after being convicted for murder. If I remember correctly you can get separate sentences for each victim, which will sum up to your total sentence.
It’s a tragedy for the victims and their families, but I’m sorry, I can’t feel sorry for her. Seems she planned to harm them for petty reasons because she feels entitled. Probably a narcissist:
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No, the “juvenile justice” system in the US is… the American juvenile justice system
It has its own judges, facilities, probation offices, and everything.
Gotta keep those prisons stuffed. Glad to see absolutely zero consequences of a for profit system.
When adult justice is applied, then there’s nothing “juvenile” in that. I guess the thinking behind that (over here) is that you are not yet a fully developed adult when you are 18 and that you might get another chance in life than when committing crimes at older ages.
Guys, she’s 18. Her brain isn’t even fully developed yet. She’s not even capable of fully rationalizing the consequences of her actions yet. I know she did something awful but I don’t think there are any winners here.
You don’t need a fully developed brain to understand that intentionally driving into a brick wall at 100 mph will have severe consequences.
Literally the risk averse part of the brain is the one still in development.
How much of that do you need to assess whether driving into a brick wall at 100 mph is a bad idea. How did this person even stay alive until 18?
The gravity of mortality though probably didn’t even exist in her brain based on this story. Yeah no shit driving into a brick wall can kill you, she threatened that specifically. I guarantee the discourse here has prevented zero additional death-by-intentionally-driving-into-a-brick-wall murder stories. Nobody is becoming less dumb by pointing out how stupid this girl is, preventing another idiot from intentionally driving into a wall in order to control her codependent relationship. It’s not endemic and pointing out how brains develop and where this girl was at is not going to make it so. You aren’t preventing more death-by-driving-into-a-brick-wall copycat crimes of passion. Raising awareness about mental issues (including developmental stages) can help people prepare for and prevent their own tragedies better. Congrats though, thanks to you I will definitely not drive into a brick wall.
According to Western societies, 18 is when the “fully developed” switch flips from OFF to ON, not a minute earlier or a minute later.
Confused by the article. Is there a video from inside the car right before the crash?
there was video from CCTV and they also checked onboard computers and saw there were no attempts to slow down before collision
That’ll do it.
This is an unbelievable tragedy, for all of them. She just turned 18, I wonder what her sentence will be like. I assume that in the US - unlike the situation over here in Europe - there is no special “juvenile justice” for young adults, so she might face multiple lifetimes in prison after being convicted for murder. If I remember correctly you can get separate sentences for each victim, which will sum up to your total sentence.
Let’s see what kind of slap-on-the-wrist punishment she’s going to get on Monday.
100% guaranteed that if the roles were reversed and an 18 year old boyfriend did this and ended up killing his girlfriend and friend, they would throw the book at him. Our society puts pussy on a pedestal and as such I expect her to get the lightest punishment possible.
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Misread. 18 at time of arrest. Did this happen a month before her birthday?
