A page from The Unthinkable: Who Survives When Disaster Strikes - and Why by Amanda Ripley

I guess it’s not exactly surprising, but it seems to explain a lot of things I’m witnessing in my later adulthood. I’ve always felt deeply impressed by selfless heroes, but I never really pondered the profile of heroism.

    • TheSambassador@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      In a weird way, having emotionally available and supportive parents is absolutely a privilege. People are able to develop empathy in spite of bad parents, and good parenting isn’t a guarantee to a good person, but parenting is a major factor for life success. I wish it weren’t, and I hope we can build a society that could guarantee every child full opportunities.

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    People are terrified of empathy. Empathy is the capacity (or even the obligation) to experience the suffering of others. Suffering HURTS. Empathy HURTS. People will do anything to avoid thinking about the victim on their plate.

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      Aversion of pain is a pretty powerful deterrent. I guess there may need to be a critical mass of empathic individuals in a community to tip the scale in favor of everyone being more empathic and feeling generally better for it. Misery shared and understood amongst peers seems to always feel better than misery in solitude.

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        A history of trauma is more common among people who refuse to harm animals on the basis of empathy (as opposed to being plant based for their health or the environment or something) than among the general population. I suspect that empathy is innate. I suspect that people who have experienced trauma have less capacity to ignore, interfere with, and override their empathy.

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          But isn’t this argument exactly what the book above is saying is false in their findings? Rescuers tended to have better relationships with their parents and given less traumatic punishments.

          I suppose you could be referring to non-familial or non-violent traumas. In any case though, this would be sympathy rather than empathy. Those people are less likely to traumatize or otherwise harm a creature because they sympathize due to their personal trauma

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            The text does not speak of trauma. Trauma is not “bad things that happen to you,” it is “things that happen to you that break you.” Two people might have the same experience. One receives life-long trauma and one receives a valuable lesson. You might expect people who have been beaten by their parents to be more likely to bear trauma, but this text doesn’t make that claim. You’d have to call on something else.

            This text appears to me to be saying that children who witness their parents suppressing their empathy (such as they must to inflict physical pain) are more likely to do the same.

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              Ripley discusses trauma early in the book and there appears to be some correlation between the size of a person’s hippocampus and their capacity to absorb and rebound from traumatic events.

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    I think there’s also a sort of autodidactic type of learning empathy, even if your parents don’t teach it to you.

    I think it’s — at least for a part of the population — a very natural thing and would have to be actively discouraged as a kid to make it go away.

    Although idk I did read a ton so maybe the books raised me idk