The Illinois State Supreme Court found a strict assault weapons ban passed after the Highland Park shooting to be constitutional in a ruling issued Friday.

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    I’m pretty sure all of the people you don’t want having assault weapons in states like Illinois already have them.

    I’m not so sure the ones those people dream of targeting have yet acquired reciprocal defenses.

    Happy to see less guns around, but I do worry about the pre-existing distribution of them.

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      yes but everyone who wanted to smoke in the 80s and everyone who wants to smoke today does- but there are only less smokers and less smoke inside nowadays because it was legislated.

      change can only come through attempting change

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            I guess I should have explained my opinion. Fair enough.

            Cigarettes are not reusable, are not continuously functional for a hundred years or more, and cannot end a life in a single muscle movement. This severely restricts situations in which they could potentially act analogously - they are too fundamentally different.

            What makes it a good comparison in your view?

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                Just to reiterate this, there is a difference between smoking the last cigarette you could legally purchase, and the last gun you could legally purchase: The gun sticks around afterward.

                I agree to the change in behavior that it will lead to a decrease in sales on legal markets, which was the basis of my comment. Now, what change in user behavior - if any - do these laws cause that would result in the non-possession of currently possessed firearm? That’s the only way the bans would be comparable.

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      That’s the big problem. There are a bunch of gun stores in East Chicago, because it’s in Indiana. People just cross over state lines, buy guns, and go back to Chicago proper.

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        Not legally, and not through any licensed dealer. So if you know of anyone doing that, feel free to report their crimes to the police so you can do your part to reduce gun crimes.

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        Well if you’re a resident of Illinois you can’t go to another state and buy a gun from a licensed dealer. You’d have to have it shipped to an FFL in your state. Since this rule is in effect then the FFL in Illinois wouldn’t sell it to you.

        The only way you can go to another state and get a gun is if it’s a private sale.

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    Sucks… everyone should be permitted to be armed. Why would you want to walk around not protecting yourself ? It’s a dog eat dog world, like it or not…

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      What exact situation do you expect to get into where a shotgun, handgun, and/or hunting rifle is insufficient for the task? This isn’t a movie.

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        Intermediate .22 caliber semiautomatic rifles excel in home defense applications.

        They are softer to fire shotguns or bolt action rifles and can be fired more accurately with less training than pistols as you have a stock to stabilize them.

        And their cartridges are designed for high velocity low weight projectiles which have a lesser capacity to penetrate walls and injury those beyond them than it’s alternatives.

        It’s not a matter of which options could be sufficient. It’s a matter of which options are best.

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      not in civilised countries it’s not mate. sounds like a shithole if you need an AK47 to go to the shops

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    The obsession of guns in the USA is insane.

    • Sandy Hook massacre of 2011 did not change anything.
    • Las Vegas massacre of 2017 did not change anything.
    • High school massacre of 2018 in Santa Fe, TX did not change anything
    • Grocery store massacre of 2019 in El Paso did not change anything
    • Robb Elementary massacre of 2022 in Uvalde did not change anything.
    • Outlet mall massacre of 2023 in Allen, TX did not change anything

    (yes there are many more mass shooting prior to 2011 and in between. These are just the ones I can recall as of writing this post)

    American Exceptionalism at its best

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      The intention is that each state has full self-determination as long as it doesn’t run counter to federal law. Each state has its own legislature, executive, and judiciary.