No stupid question… it seems Trump is ready to invade (military) Panama and Greenland (red white blueland), so even if with Canada he always talk about economic war and annexing Canada blablabla…
What would happen if USA invades Canada? What would be the reaction of the Canada King (Charles III is the king of Canada)? The Commonwealth? NATO?
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It would be a shit storm of unimaginable proportions. The US would be attacking another NATO nation and Canada would almost certainly invoke Article 5. Those not assisting militarily would probably sanction the shit out of the US and many of their previous treaties, pacts, and agreements would be withdrawn.
Recent polling in the US has shown that US citizens are greatly opposed to the ongoing trade war with Canada and would be even more opposed to further conflict. The executive branch ordering an attack on a historic ally and neighbour would cause catastrophic rift in the US military chain of command and I’d imagine many would disobey orders. States along the Canada/US border would likely be fiercely opposed to having their states turned into battlegrounds and would resist legally in whatever way they could.
Canada does not have the military for a large prolonged conflict, especially from our closest ally. An actual war would probably be quite shortlived, but it would also probably be the last thing the Trump administration ever does. The economic and civil-unrest blowback would rip apart his administration. Ordering your citizens to kill their neighbours, friends, and even family is not something you do without major consequences.
I would expect an invasion order to be a breaking point that causes US political collapse and possibly a civil war.
The military brass might very well break the chain of command and refuse to follow an order to invade Canada. While I think that would be the right move, it would be a major constitutional crisis and there is no resolution that would not send one political faction or another completely off the rails.
This whole administration is one major constitutional crisis
Agreed. But it’s a slow-rolling one so far. I think defiance of an order of war would boil over a bit faster.
Keep in mind that Greenland and Canada are both members of NATO, and thus the US would be forced to intervene…
Oh, well…
You mean seriously? Who knows? Both sides have nuclear weapons, don’t they? This is not something that ever happened. Would the US armed forces go along with the plan or will there be a coup? Will everybody keep their heads leveled and avoid exchange nuclear explosions even with people dying at home / on the front? Will somebody just put a bullet on Trump’s head and stop the madness?
But the thing I can tell is that if you are expecting country lines and military treaties to be immutable, that’s not how they work.
Canada does not have nukes, but to nuke any highly populated area of Canada would have huge affects on the US
Canada does not, but if the US wanted to unilaterally attack and occupy our land, there’s very good reason to believe we would look closely at all offers to move nukes from the EU, China, or Russia into Canada, and even potentially use them. We burned down the white house once - next time it might need to be the entirety of DC…
Practically speaking since war is unthinkable is would result in as much economic isolation as Europe can bear. It would be the end of NATO. Almost immediately there’s be European voices saying ‘What’s the real harm?’ and other appeasers. I think the political lash back would only last 5-10 years as parties opposed would find the only tool at hand - economic punishment - to be unsustainable. It would legitimise nationalistic sentiments in Europe even further. Britain would, naturally, talk of betrayal but not be able to make any resistance of any substance.
It would be an invasion and occupation. Very very few Canadians would cooperate with the annexation, and more than likely it would look something more like Afghanistan or Ukraine, but with much better equipment being provided to resistance forces.
I really struggle to see a unilateral mobilization and that the US military truly goes through with it.
Especially when foreign assets are getting absolutely left stranded by Trump, programs are getting gutted (he hasn’t touched the VA, yet) and everyone who helped after 9/11 were getting shafted by their government in terms of Healthcare.
If you take away the rather potent motivators of “national security and safety or preventing terrorism” I think you’re gonna get a lot more of a strike from soldiers. Unless you can somehow believably apply that to canada.
It would be the point of no return for the USA, and the conclusive end to the “Pax Americana” . Invading a peaceful neighbor? Unthinkable for a “so-called” stable country. The rest of the world rally to Canada’s side, there would be an effort to ‘contain’ the further damage we could do. (Mexico would finally pay for that wall :-/ ) We would no longer be trusted, and in that vacuum of power the rest of the countries of the world would be thrown into such a frenzy to fill that power, or to align with who they think could.
I think that would cause those who wield true military power to reassess the strategic landscape and dispense with the greater threat. Nahmean?
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