Democrats would rather lose than let Progressives lead the way.
They would rather gather the money needed to be able to effectively campaign than pursue policies designed to reign in campaigns costing so much. Wouldn’t it be nice if we legally defined our election season to the formerly traditional end of February to November of the year of your offices’ election?
In a last-minute move, they shut the event off from the public and even deliberately shared the wrong address for where grassroots supporters are allowed to gather."
Lol, we’re fucked
The Democrats are over. If we ever even get the chance to vote again, a new progressive, actually left party must rise in its place
Interesting you think they need to be more left?
Progressives won in states where Harris lost, so objectively, yes. We don’t need Republicans and Diet Republicans. We need two noticeably different parties.
Yes, they’ve been moving right and trying to stay in the center for 30 years.
They’ve won the majority of the elections in the last 30 years. So must be a winning strategy.
What do you think “left” means?
If there ever was a time to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months AFTER an election.
If there ever was a time to not to criticize the democrats, it is 3 months BEFORE an election.
there has to be a real fear of losing something, otherwise there’s no pressure to change. they will never change voluntarily. and after they win/lose an election there is zero pressure to do anything
the best time to criticize is in the immediate lead up to an election
That’s fair, I normally try to shut down the shitting on all the time, but that’s a very fair point to be making and I accept your views as veritable and righteous.
You think if we criticize democrats for 3.5 years straight it wont affect the outcome of an election as long as we stop for a few months?
Acknowledge mistakes and learning from them is the biggest advantage when running against the Republicans who think Trump can never make mistakes
No it just sows apathy and reduces voter turnout. But that seems to be the goal.
It only sows apathy because they keep shutting down progressive voices for… *checks notes… a 74 year old with cancer.
Maybe just maybe if AOC had been given a committee seat instead of being muscled out by Pelosi such criticisms wouldn’t “sow apathy.”
That’s just one of many examples. What you’re saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don’t change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
We’re literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like “critiquing them only makes it worse!” Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it’s hard for that not to create apathy.
Like I said, if they actually learned something and centered progressive voices, maybe critiquing them wouldn’t create apathy but would create excitement?
But noooooo, we just need to shut up about it I guess.
What you’re saying is we should stop critiquing them since they don’t change, and their unwillingness to change and pointing that out sows voter apathy.
Nope, I’m saying Trump won this election because enough voters were apathetic and stayed home and the constant criticism from the left contributed to that.
The constant ‘not good enough’ criticisms are the reason we are worse off now with Trump.
We’re literally in a thread about how they refuse to learn anything and we still have you here being like “critiquing them only makes it worse!” Yeah, when they always ignore the critique to suck from the same wealthy teats as the Republicans, it’s hard for that not to create apathy.
We are in a thread about an opinion piece. Sorry to interrupt your echo chamber but I need to remind you that the critiquing is coming from progressives: a group that consistently loses elections even after winning primaries.
If progressives would actually learn something they would show up to vote in their own best interests instead of falling for the “Genocide Joe”, “DNC isn’t good enough so we get Trump”.
The fact of the matter is not enough voters are progressive and progressives aren’t willing to work with any other ideologies so they consistently lose elections.
My original comment said 3 months before an election is not the time to criticize - so I agree with you on that.
However, there has to be a time when we fix our mistakes and right now is the BEST time to do that.
However, there has to be a time when we fix our mistakes and right now is the BEST time to do that.
I agree with you there. The mistake we made was being critical to a point that got Trump elected.
Do we have voting holidays for the primaries? Oh we don’t? So it’s quite likely a lot of those progressive voters are busy at work?
Hell, one year it was fucking caucuses in my state, where you had to show up and hang out for hours deliberating.
But sure, it’s not that the corporate wing of the party are in positions to be able to take off work and progressives are workaday laborers who literally struggle to get involved because of the roadblocks of American life.
When many US citizens can’t take a day off work without worrying about not being able to make rent, it’s kind of buffoonish to be like “They just need to try harder.” Maybe the party needs to make it way way fuckin easier to be involved and join the 21st fucking century instead of being like “these rules we’ve been using for 100 years are rock solid, no changes needed, fuck change.” The only people saying that are the corporate wing of the party because that benefits them to have progressives stuck on the hamster wheel.
Do we have voting holidays for the primaries? Oh we don’t? So it’s quite likely a lot of those progressive voters are busy at work?
Hell, one year it was fucking caucuses in my state, where you had to show up and hang out for hours deliberating.
You think democrats have enough seats to make a national holiday for the primaries?
Are they really failing to realize their losing strategy at this point? I think they just don’t care. They got theirs and fuck everyone else.
True, but the way I see it elections are largely a game of name recognition.
Love or hate Trump, people know his name.
Harris only had 3 months to campaign and still almost beat Trump.
Sure, major cities can handle a quick turnaround, but the rest of the country needs a full year of campaigning to accept a candidate.
Trump’s win isn’t the mandate he thinks it is and Harris’ loss isn’t as damning as people make it out to be either.
She didn’t “almost win” & it was mostly Tim Waltz (the guy is a gem)
So that means the progressives will break off and form a real leftist party right?
Right?
Yes they will be moving to the right. Wait. Nooooo
Oh boy, if only
ITT people who have no idea how the Democratic party is structured, nor how the DNC chair is elected, nor been involved in party politics, complaining about the DNC anyway.
