• TheBlue22@lemmy.world
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    And then people wonder why everyone hates China. “Why do people complain when they claim territory that isn’t theirs?!?! US dID iT tOo!!!1!”

    Dunno, tell me in last 30 years, when did US commit and kept commiting an active genocide? Do they suppress other language than american? Do they tell Canadians or Mexicans that they “belong” to them and feint invasion?

    As a european, its good to have US by our side because I know that when a shit dictatorship shithole like China or Ruzzia attacks, they will be the first to bomb them to the stone ages.

    Fuck China. Fuck Ruzzia. And fuck anyone who supports them.

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      to be fair, America also has 2 million people in jail & 100 million with arrest records. we are not too far from a police state

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      Well, the FBI has been treating the citizens of supposed “sovereign nations” pretty badly the entire time. We still are shitty to the Native Americans. That being said, just cause the US is shitty, doesn’t absolve the CCP of their shitty behavior.

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        I agree that US did and still does many shitty things. However, China and Ruzzia are so much worse that it’s almost incomparable.

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      Can we differentiate between the people and the state or government here? I don’t want the us to bomb anyone because there’s no way it doesn’t hurt innocent people.

      I wish power to the people of both China, Russia, Hong Kong to be able to influence their political climate in a way that works best for their actual health and well-being.

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        It’s very difficult to not want Ruzzia bombed to dust when they killed my friends.

        I hate ruzzia with every fibre of my being, and it’s no one fault but theirs.

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      Your argumentation is similar to that of tankies. The US undeniably did shady shit to maintain hegemony over the last century and the whole past 911 thing was an unreasonable fiasco that cost the lives of over a million people.
      It’s just that autocracy is no alternative in any form and it’s the biggest enemy of a free world.

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        Never said US is good, just good to have at our side.

        US is bad, but China and Ruzzia is infinitely worse. Like uncomparably worse. If you are under the wing of US and you diasagree, 99.99% chance fuckall happens. If you do the same under the other two, you are jailed or you die.

        I don’t blindly defend my state or ally states. Tankies like you do.

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      Hexbear is the one I’ve seen acting out most recently to the point I just block any community I see from them

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    I’m out of the loop here. I thought Cantonese is popularly spoken in China (and other parts of the world with Chinese immigrants/descendants). So even in China (like Guangdong), is Cantonese used very limitedly?

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      Most of mainland China speaks Mandarin. More than 70% of Chinese speakers in mainland China speak Mandarin.

      Cantonese is regional and only widely spoken around Guangdong, but very culturally tied to Hong Kong, Macau, and Guangxi which are all autonomous regions that the CCP has heavily wanted to completely pull into control. Eliminating their language is important to that aspect. Only around 6% of Chinese speakers in China speak the Yue family of dialects as a whole, of which Cantonese is an even more regional dialect of.

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      In written language at least I believe the CCP forced the development and adoption of Simplified Chinese, so it’s not particularly out of character for them to force a one language system on all their territories. They will continue their authoritarianism until everyone looks, sounds, and thinks the same in their country.

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        Tb0n3 English 4 • 29 minutes ago In written language at least I believe the CCP forced the development and adoption of Simplified Chinese in writing,

        it’s bad enough we don’t have written cantonese, they also simplified the traditional characters for our writing? damn

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          I kind of lost track of my sentence there and double referenced the fact that I was talking about written language. There’s a theory that it was to keep the people from being able to read older Chinese manuscripts and books which might make people question the communist party. Taiwan as far as I’m aware didn’t adopt Simplified Chinese and the literacy rate is high, so at least the goals of the CCP (literacy) were achieved through better education instead of changing the language.

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      I’m out of the loop here. I thought Cantonese is popularly spoken in China (and other parts of the world with Chinese immigrants/descendants). So even in China (like Guangdong), is Cantonese used very limitedly?

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      in the last few years the CCP has been trying to erase HK culture and language and replace it with theirs, it’s all to create “cohesiveness”

      it is a language spoken in southern china (guangdong province, hong kong, macau). Most of china (mainland china) speaks mandarin, it’s the largest of the chinese dialect groups. it’s ‘standard’ chinese.

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        Not just HK but all over the world. The CCP claim ownership of all Chinese, regardless of citizenship. They even open illegal “police stations” in Western countries to harrass Chinese emigrants.

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    This has been a wildly educational thread. I would like to learn more about China and Southeast Asia from non-American sources and people. America’s perspective is always around who we should and shouldn’t do business with and how (as if I have a say in the matter, anyway).

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      You can read about china and the belt road initiative and its influence around the world, you can read about China and what it’s doing around the South China Sea (tangentially the impacts on south east asia)

      You can read about Chinese business principles such as guanxi and something called the bamboo network which is the term for overseas Chinese network

      You can also read about china and their investment in mexico to surpass us tariffs