That wouldn’t have happened if the 1-year-old had a gun 🤔
You saying this in this scenario is the reason why we’re so divided. You try to pervert fair arguments and make them seem absurd.
These are not the issues the democrats are targeting in wanting to solve when they want to ban semi-autos, and you know it.
If the 3 yo instead stabbed the 1 year old, would that make a difference? Should we start banning household knives?
I don’t hear a lot about 3-year-olds stabbing 1-year-olds. I do hear a lot about toddlers getting guns and shooting other kids…
If the 3 yo instead stabbed the 1 year old, would that make a difference? Should we start banning household knives?
Such a bullshit take. The kid would stop once they knew it was hurting. No such chance with a gun.
Again, it’s gun nuts like you that make people like me say fuck the second.
Again, it’s gun nuts like you that make people like me say fuck the second.
HAHAHA I own my dads old little .22. I’m not a gun nut, just empathetic enough with people that have different lifestyles to know that tens of millions of americans provide food and protection for themselves with guns, and that someone using a tool incorrectly across the nation shouldn’t make me hate and ban them.
Knives are in nearly every household yet accidental deaths from laceration are not very common. Maybe they’re not nearly as prevalent in media so kids don’t think to “play” with knives. Maybe they’re just not as deadly as guns (they’re absolutely not).
The biggest difference between knives (plus the dozens of other dangerous household items that any normal person owns) and guns is the purpose. Guns are intended to harm living things. I cut things almost daily, but in 40 years I’ve never had a situation where I thought a gun would’ve improved the outcome.
What 3-year-olds are stabbing people? You are obsessed with this idea.
You cant ban “basic” tools
Guns are tools too, but way to specialized. Almost nobody really needs them.
But knives? I use knives daily for food prep/cooking
And opening boxes
And cutting wood
(Of course different knives with different types of blade, etc)
A gun has 1 purpose: kill someone
but way to specialized. Almost nobody really needs them.
Every tool is specialized. How many different screws do they make that need different screw drivers?
And the fact that you can’t empathize with any other lifestyle than your, likely big city, lifestyle is absurd. Do you not know people rely on hunting for food? For protection?
But knives? I use knives daily for food prep/cooking
What if a rural individual hunts every day?
And opening boxes
Guards his animals every day. You ever try to get a hungry coyote off your chickens?
kill someone
See right there, that’s my point. You don’t see it as a tool. You see it as a violent weapon that is only made to kill ‘someone,’ you’re so limited in your world view that you can’t even comprehend someone hunting for a deer to provide for their family. All you know is that you can buy some deer meet at stores.
And kill animals for food.
And kill pest animals.
But yeah, that’s about it.
Yup, actually putting the gun in a locked safe or maybe a trigger lock or a safety switch or taking out the bullets, nothing else would work… responsible gun owners are not a problem. Stop creating an issue where there isn’t one. Gun control isn’t just banning guns.
The implication with what they said is that if there was a repeated incident of toddlers accidentally using knives to kill siblings then there probably would be some type of action. But a three year old can’t harm much with a knife,not like with a firearm
want to ban semi-autos, and you know it.
I say F the 2nd. And it was gun rights advocates who radicalized me, not Democrats.
Okay, well until we as a country determine that the constitution needs amending and we want to repeal the 2nd amendment, it’s the constitution that is the most important part of the law that every state must abide by.
I like that you didn’t respond to the rest of my comment that showed how stupid yours was. What do you think of the criticism I had for your comment, do you just want to ignore my points of
- You’re strawmanning the argument
- This isn’t the scenario’s the democrats are targeting when they want to ban AR’s.
- If a different weapon was used, do you think it’s a good argument to ban said weapon?
Is a pump-action shotgun not an armament? A bolt-action rifle? A revolver? I’m fine with an 18yo buying one of these. You want something more powerful then show you’re responsible enough to own it.
lock the parents up and get that kid some lifelong counseling.
as a gun owner… I find not locking up your weapons abhorrent.
as a non American I find owning guns abhorrent but to each their own
There are several reasons go own a gun in the US. Should we have as many as we do? Absolutely not. But we have a lot of wild and dangerous animals and you don’t have to get far from a city center to encounter them. We also have several invasive species we keep down via strategic hunting. Feral pigs being one of them. They’re very dangerous and near impossible to get rid of once they’re there.
The US could definitely do with at least having the Canadian system where guns are highly tracked by the government (and they should be), but until i don’t see coyotes and random bullshit like that wandering around my suburban area, I still guy why you’d want one. I say this as someone who had never owned a gun, nor wants to own one for various reasons.
As an Italian surrounded by guns who has them and hates them but might need to ruin my life by defending myself against a crazed neighbor… They’re abhorrent. There’s no good that comes from a gun.
Agreed, as terrible a thing as it is to happen to a parent it needs to be punished when this occurs. Someone was obviously negligent with a gun around a child. If it was put away properly this wouldn’t have happened.
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Either lock them up or teach gun safety.
Responsible firearm owners are doing both of those.
If the owners didn’t know that keeping unlocked, loaded, and (I’m willing to bet) chambered firearms in a household with kids was dangerous then the only way they’ll learn is in jail.
3 year olds can’t even reliably communicate that they have to go to the bathroom. They routinely injure themselves and others sometimes through idle curiosity, sometimes via being bad at using their body or understanding consequences. 3 year olds often just do the opposite of what you say for no other reason than developmentally that’s the period they defy you.
Have you met a 3 year old? Interacting with them for a long period of time and then tried to get to stop doing something novelly dangerous without them doing that thing at least once? Because it’s basically impossible to teach toddlers anything but in retrospect. Adults only follow instructions because they have enough experience to trust the system. A 3 year old has no such trust.
Unless there’s extenuating circumstances, you’ve failed if your 3 year old can’t reliably communicate the need to go to the bathroom. I’m not saying they get things perfect, but the vast majority of 3 year olds can tell you when they need to go to the bathroom.
Even at age 2 it’s quite common.
I like how you completely failed to address the actually developmental milestones of 3 year olds. I know you don’t know shit about 3 year olds because you’re confidently incorrect about how very often a 3 year old will fail to give you warning about needing to go to the bathroom. I guess you think changes of clothing that are required for school until kindergarten are just in case they get dirty.
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Another person who hasn’t ever had a real life 3 year old and doesn’t know why “three-nager” is a thing or even what developmental milestones are for 3 year olds. 3 year olds aren’t even expected to follow multistage instructions. Like it’s not a thing any doctor would be worried about if your kid couldn’t at 3. That’s how uncommon it is for a 3 year old to follow instructions.
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To the rest of the world, this would be an exceedingly rare headline.
For Americans, it is just any other Tuesday.
American solution: put the 3yo in prison for forced labour and arm all 1 year olds so they can defend themselves.
the 2 common culprits in all these horrible stories are: 1) human stupidity 2) gun proliferation. solving the first would require eugenism. solving the second is a big american no-no. So don’t call it horrible, just live with it. It’s just a normal by-product of american culture.
Why would the gun be loaded? At the very least the gun and the ammo should be separated.
You are 100% correct but that loops is back to #1.
Not if your concerned about personal safety. I don’t live in the best neighborhood. So the time to slide in 12ga rounds might cost me my life.
https://youtu.be/AItWcBU-NEA?t=238
All my others are in safes and the ammo is not easily accessible.
Separating ammo isn’t actually securing the firearm though. Loaded or unloaded it should still be property secured. And you can safely store a fire loaded if the firearm is actually in some kind of safe. The parents were simply negligent.
Solving the first would require the end of human existence. You can’t breed out stupidity, eugenics doesn’t solve anything.
It’s not immediately clear if any parents were in the home at the time of the shooting.
I guess it tracks that if they left a toddler and a baby in the house alone, they’d also be irresponsible enough to leave a weapon just sitting out unsecured and loaded. What a tragedy.
The only way to stop a bad baby with a gun is a good baby with a gun.
Clearly we need to arm 1 year olds so they can defend themselves
This is horrible.
Trigger locks are not hard to get and are inexpensive.
I’m iffy on more gun control, but if there is something I’d want to do, it’d be requiring businesses to provide a trigger lock with each sale.
The average American is too dumb to own guns and I say this from a household with several guns. Seriously would rather not have them if that means idiots and the mentally unstable don’t either.
Who is smart enough to own guns then? Solely the government?
Spot on. Pretty much the only reason I carry. Never know when some d bag is going to start blasting the local grocery store.
Such a rare opinion to see today.
Reputable gun shops provide them free of charge w/ every sale.
/gun collector
…it’d be requiring businesses to provide a trigger lock with each sale.
Pretty much is in the State of California. This is yet another instance of someone not following the basic god damned rules of firearm safety.
You can only do so much to encourage gun safety, but when you get to this point I think it’s only fitting to charge the gun owner with a felony and forbid them from ever owning a firearm again.
Every gun I’ve bought came with a cable lock. They are a waste though as would be a required trigger lock. I prefer different and more reliable storage methods.
And just because something came in the box doesn’t mean it is going to be used correctly. Especially if someone doesn’t like that way of securing a firearm. A better way is probably just some PSAs and tax breaks for security/storage devices to encourage proper storage. If there are going to be these things in every box give me a way to return them or something.
I’m pretty sure that’s already a law.
Shit when I bought my pistol it friggin came WITH a trigger lock.
Fuck this is depressing.
This kid is gonna be fucked up the rest of his/her life.
