“Both parties are the same.”
“A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide.”
If you really think Harris would have done anything significant to restrain Israel I envy your optimism. Voters’ only realistic choices for Palestine this election were for furrowed brows or enthusiastic cheerleading, but Israel was getting weapons and political cover for whatever it wanted to do either way.
If you really think Harris would have called for a total ethnic cleansing of Palestine, you paid zero attention to anything she ever said.
How many Palestinians did you ask about who to vote for? Because the Palestinians I talked to before the election were not fans of Harris, but rightfully far more terrified of Trump. I actually go out of my way to talk to Palestinians, and so many people berating me for not caring about genocide or whatever, when I ask them how often they talk to Palestinians, they don’t answer.
called for
anything she ever said
Like I said, we would have gotten furrowed brows out of Harris, but their wouldn’t have been any substantive action to restrain Israel. I voted for her and wished she would have won for a variety of reasons, but trying to guilt trip people who didn’t over this particular issue is just completely hollow given the choices we actually had here.
Who am I guilt tripping? How am I guilt tripping them? If you feel guilt about Trump getting elected, that’s on you, not me.
Also, I notice you didn’t tell me how many Palestinians you talked to about who they would want as president, so I am going to have to assume it’s zero and you just think you know what’s best for them.
If the Democratic party wanted us to hear Palestinians voices so badly why didn’t we hear any at their convention?
I’m not talking about the Democrats, I’m talking about you.
It’s very obvious that you have never even attempted to talk to a Palestinian. How Great White Savior of you.
And now the conflict is winding down just in time for the new presidency. Both parties have reached an agreement and Trump is now fanning the flames again. It wouldn’t have happened with Harris.
This “Harris wouldn’t have done anything different” is moot.
This whole thread is moot but the top level comment was the exact wrong lesson to learn from recent history imo
Recent history has shown that Harris was the correct choice with the power of 20/20 vision. That is the only takeaway. I’m not sure what you’re arguing.
Sure, it’s sucks that Harris’ inability to campaign and commitments to bad policy put the rest of us in this situation for a bunch of reasons, I’m just saying for Palestine in particular isn’t really one of them because her track record in office and behavior on the campaign trail made it clear she was always going to let Israel do whatever it wanted, so the “look what Israel’s doing now, don’t you protest voters feel silly” arguments just aren’t gonna land with anyone who didn’t already agree with you
I think it’s a bit unfair to criticize her like that considering she entered the race quite late but had pretty good plans all around vs none from the other guy. But that’s not the point.
But, like, don’t you feel silly? This is worse, no? Lol
Considering she stated she would do nothing different than Biden, yes it is another vote for genocide. The only difference offered between the 2 political parties on this issue is, lip service and ‘another month to leave’. To say the dems were seriously offering a different stance here is cope
Trump is literally doing something different than Biden. He literally wants Palestine cleared of Palestinians. Biden never even approached saying something like that.
No one is claiming Biden or Harris would be good for Palestine. This is far, far worse.
Or is this is one of these “what are you going to believe, me or your own eyes” things?
The something different is, trump is not providing lip service and expediting what is already being done. It was gonna happen either way. If you’re kill them torturing with false promises seems just as cruel. Biden just sent another 8billion in arms at the beginning of this month. I mean c’mon
It was gonna happen either way.
Prove it.
Can you prove it wasn’t? c’mon Edit: Jan 4, 2025 Joe Biden sent another 8 billion in arms. He didn’t have to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law
That’s not how the burden of proof works. You made the claim, it’s up to you to show it wasn’t a lie.
It’s also a bad faith question to prove someone’s thoughts.
Let me ask you this, what proof would you accept?
Not the person your arguing with.
Good job with your protest votes! You sure helped those Gazans!
We sure taught the DNC a lesson!
Well yeah. How else is Jared gonna make a killing?
